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Skittles and Iced Tea? Or Purple Drank?

Trayvon Martin

Trayvon Martin – Click to enlarge

It’s all over HLN and just about every media outlet: Trayvon Martin killed for being armed with Skittles and iced tea.  Trayvon was an innocent young kid who was gunned down for the heinous crime of walking while black.  All claims that persist to this day despite the fact that eye witnesses put Trayvon on top of Zimmerman pummeling him MMA style, and the jury concurred.

If the witness accounts about Trayvon attacking Zimmerman are true, what may have been his motive?  Perhaps one could assume that it was anger over being followed by Zimmerman, something Trayvon’s girlfriend, Rachel Jeantel, states Trayvon was concerned with while talking to her on the phone that night.  Some have surmised that Trayvon may have been on drugs.  Even though drug tests revealed Trayvon had recently used marijuana, nobody truly believes that would cause the paranoid and violent behavior he exacted that night according to Zimmerman’s account of the events that night (and the jury’s conclusion).

Still today, post-verdict, Skittles and iced tea still serve as symbols of racism in the aftermath of Trayvon’s shooting and George Zimmerman’s trial.  Some schools have actually held Trayvon Martin Day while handing out Skittles to kids and tea to parents for attending such events.  As you’ll see, however, Trayvon Martin having Skittles and iced tea may reveal a lot more about the events of that night than anyone could have ever imagined.

Purple Drank or Lean
Purple drank is a slang term for a recreational drug popular in the hip hop community in the southern United States, originating in Houston, Texas. Its main ingredient is prescription-strength cough syrup containing codeine and promethazine.  Give HLN an “F” for their research department.

Purple Drank

Purple Drank, or Lean – Click to enlarge

As previously stated, Trayvon Martin have felt sufficiently paranoid to lash out violently in the way Zimmerman and witnesses claim.  This is important because a street drug that is popular in the young urban community known as Purple Drank or Lean produces those very side effects — agitation and paranoia.

Purple Drank or Lean is a cocktail that is created by mixing Robitussin or other over-the-counter cough medicines with — yes — Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Juice, the same flavor of tea Trayvon Martin was carrying that night.

Purple Drank also goes by other street names such as sizzurp, lean, syrup, sip sip, drank, barre, purple jelly and Texas tea.  It has opiate-like effects.  Some of its side effects include confusion, agitation, and hallucinations among others.

Recoverycorp.org describes the drugs popularity in the hip hop community:

Purple drank grew out of the underground Houston hip-hop community in the 1990s along with chopped and screwed rap music—a slowed down, remixing of rap songs using skipped beats and scratching. DJ Screw aka Robert Earl Davis Jr. is said to have originated the style of the slow chopped and screwed, which compliments purple drank’s effects of relaxing the user.

DJ Screw died in 2000 of a codeine overdose. That same year, Three 6 Mafia’s song “Sippin’ on Some Syrup” made purple drank mainstream. The group’s song “Rainbow Colors” is about adding Jolly Rancher candy to create the desired rainbow.

Around this same time, evidence of purple drank began showing up across the South from Lafayette, Louisiana to Pensacola, FL.

Purple Drank ingredients

Purple Drank ingredients – Click to enlarge

In a 2004 University of Texas survey, according to a USA Today article, “8.3% of Texas secondary students reported having taken enough codeine syrup to get high.”

Terrence Kiel, a defensive back with the San Diego Chargers was arrested in 2006 for illegally shipping cases of prescription cough syrup to Texas.

In a 2008 MTV interview with Lil Wayne, the rapper discusses his addiction to purple drink, and how hard it is to get off it, saying it feels like “death in your stomach.”

It is unknown whether the autopsy performed on Trayvon Martin looked for or found elevated levels of cough syrup in his blood, but messages on social media seem to offer a clue as to whether or not Trayvon was manufacturing Purple Drank:

Trayvon Martin used Purple Drank (Lean)

Trayvon Martin used Purple Drank (Lean), which includes codeine and/or Robitussin

Things become even more clear when you look at the accurate [popup url="http://www.occupyhln.org/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-timeline-of-events/"]timeline of events[/popup] that took place the night of the incident.

Let me be extremely clear here.  Although there is ample evidence that Trayvon Martin was using Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea to make Purple Drank / Lean, I’m merely offering an explanation as to why he may have been paranoid and agitated.  I’m not saying that this should have ended in a tragedy.  But I am giving you information HLN and the media will not give you, and hopefully offering some insight as to why Trayvon Martin acted the way he did.

As always, please share your thoughts and comment(s) below!

Jason Weber
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  • Mnavratilova
    • nemo

      First Anna Chapman and now a Nobel. Where did I go so wrong in life? I really need to find something to leak.

      • Mnavratilova

        He is getting quite a bit of action for a guy showering at a water fountain and surviving on toblerone from the duty free..

        • Robert R

          What does Snowden want? A medal? You should really stay off the thread if your’e not discussing Purple Drank, because that Purple Drank is fun to discuss. It’s just the coolest of Kool Aids…..

          • Mnavratilova

            Ok, I’ll try to control myself now

          • fred

            Oh please don’t.

          • Mnavratilova

            ;)

          • Robert R

            I’ll second that.
            I need me some Purple Drank after this week. I’ve been banished to Fox News. Where they are making more sense, at least on this particular subject matter.

          • Mnavratilova

            People are defecting to Russia and now this Fox thing, what’s next? Smoking medical marijuana required by law?

          • Robert R

            It’s Juan’s world now. Up is now down and left is now right. Let’s celebrate with a pineapple upside-down cake!

          • Mnavratilova

            Juan’s World! Schwing!!

          • Robert R

            Oh, you are at the top of your game, aren’t you?

  • librtee_dot_com

    You didn’t point out his mention of DXM. Look it up, it’s in the same class of drugs as Ketamine and PCP, has a very similar ‘disassociative’ effect.

    • Leanne

      The DXM is from Robitussin.

      • Elem187

        Yes and dxm is a very hardcore drug if you drink two bottles of Robitussin…. It’s no different than taking straight dxm in powder form.

  • michelle

    The media and sheep still use IceTea and Skittles as symbols of his youth and innocence. They also use photos of Trayvon at age 12 when photos taken days before his death are available.
    This photo was taken 9 days before his death at his mother’s bday party, notice how he towers over everyone. His own mother said he was 6’3′ when first asked. The ME screwed up the entire autopsy so I’m sure they incorrectly measured him at 5’11″

    http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17i2jya0h5xctpng/original.png

    and other recent photos

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/95101660@N04/sets/72157634632517662/

    • Math_

      He could have been a 3 foot tall straight A student at Harvard, he still would have had people trying to find some reason to justify his death.

      • Robert R

        Some people, but not many people.

        • fred

          Most people in other countries do

          • Robert R

            Most people in other countries do what, Fred? Find a reason to justify the death of a minority, no matter if he is a 3 foot tall straight A student at Harvard?

      • Elem187

        Math, Trayvon brutally and savagely attacked someone. Any loss of life from a young person is tragic, but people need to get off this “he was a minor” crap… While this trial was on going, just down the street in Kissimmee there was someone shooting up houses with as gun. One man was gunned down and killed while he was waiting for the bus to take him to work (he was making minimum wage)… After 2 weeks, police finally found the gunmen. It was a group of kids only 14-17 years of age. The gunmen for the murder was 15 year old Conrad. The kid wasn’t even 5’5 and maybe 100 pounds, yet he had evil in his heart and killed someone just because he said “he was bored and wanted to have some fun”

        Trayvon attacked someone for fun. He told Jeantal “I’m going to teach this cracka a lesson, I’ll call you back” (yes, after the verdict, Jeantal told a completely different story on Piers Morgan than she did on the stand,mcommitting perjury)….. Trayvon did something stupid and it got him killed.

    • Guest

      @Michelle, that Hollister photo that you people claim was taken when he was 12, was actually taken when he was 16 — about nine months before his death.

      As far as his height goes, he was 5’11″. His mother is actually fairly short, and his father is only 6′. The idea that a medical examiner is going to “screw up the entire autopsy” is ludicrous.

      But hey, let’s just look at the photo of him taken the day he died:

      There, does THAT make you feel better?

      • Robert R

        Michele never said that this was a photo of Trayvon at 12 years old. The media did use a photo of Trayvon at 12 often. 5′ 11″ and 6′ 2″ with the hoodie on and sneakers. The medical examiner screwed up a lot of stuf. Why? Because Trayvon was a John Doe at the time and it was not seen as an important case.

        Try giving your opinion instead of just trying to show everyone how much you don’t know.

        • Guest

          I will quote her:

          “They also use photos of Trayvon at age 12 when photos taken days before his death are available.”

          She is no doubt referring to the photo of him in his Hollister shirt. A LOT of people are trying to claim that this photo is 5 years old. It isn’t His mother says the photo was taken when he was 16.

          The information you are using is wrong. More like much of the DIS-information that has been floating around for over a year now, much of it generated by the Zimmerman defense team to muddy up the waters and to poison the jury pool.

          The autopsy was NOT screwed up in any way. There were actually TWO of them, one by the county and one commissioned by the family.

          You REALLY should have paid attention to the trial, and the evidence as filed. The autopsy is even available online if you just took the time to look it up.

          But you REALLY should back away from the conspiracy websites — they will rot your mind.

          • Robert R

            The “Wolverines” football photo was probably taken at 12. Yes, I will take your word that the Hollister shirt was at age 16. It may have ben chosen because it’s a nice picture, but it does portray Trayvon as younger and smaller then he was.

            I paid atention to every minute of the trial. If the Martin family had another autopsy done, they should have brought that medical examiner as a witness. You are referring to the autopsy report. I am referring to the autopsy itself which was badly mishandled.. They said so right during the trial. That Dr. Shitting Bowels was a very poor witness.

            Information about Trayvon fighting at school, getting suspended from school twice, and doing pot and Purple Drank are facts coming right off his cell phone. He was sent to live with his father because Sabrina couldn’t handle him. The stolen jewelry matches the description of jewelry stolen from a home down the street from his school. He said he was only holding it for somebody else. OK, fine.

            I don’t really care about that information and I’m glad it was not brought up at trial. It is not rellevant to what happened that night. High school kids are suposed to make mistakes and experiment with stuff. It’s called growing up.

            I didn’t use any information myself, except that he was just 17 and a high school student staying with his father temporarily.

            There is no conspiracy about the Zimmerman case except the idea that Zimmerman could have been found guilty by a different jury or a different prosecution. It was a fair trial and a just verdict. It is a shame that Zimmerman could not be punished for causing a death though, even though the large odds say he believed he had no choice. The facts and the evidence and the witnesses speak for themselves.

          • Elem187

            Have you seen Trayvons photos, ratted up, gold “teef” this are recent photos when he was 16… That hollister shirt photo is ALOT. Older than a few months… If Sabrina is claiming it was taken when he was 16, than she knows even less about Trayvon than I thought. Did she know Trayvon was a very violent kid that liked to get into fights at school?

          • Robert R

            Now that you have hit the site and run, I should tell you that this is NOT a conspiracy website. Every viewpoint is welcome, including yours. I may even change my mind and decide that Trayvon is nothing less than an innocent victim, but I doubt it.

            The name of the article is “skittles-and-iced-tea-or-purple-drank”. It is up to you which you believe and which side you want to debate. Personally I thought it was very inflamatory and slanderous when I first saw a report like this months ago. Now, I’m not so sure.

            I’m pretty sure that the Martin home was full of candy and things to drink. though.

          • Elem187

            His mom is trying to get a conviction so she can bring a civil suit. Of course she’s going to paint a different story to taint the jury pool… Why are you beyond a point that seem incapable of figuring out what is going on?

            He was a hyper violent teenager that got into fights strictly for fun… He was obsessed with fighting, guns, and drugs… He was found with stolen jewelry, this was not some angel gunned down on his way home from choir practice. He was a thug that thought he was going to teach a “cracka” a lesson as Jeantal said on Piers Morgan.

          • Robert R

            I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a thug. Gangsta was his interest for sure and could have been his career track if he didn’t get some help soon. His father said he was at a “children’s movie” with his girlfriend at the time. Why not bring the 12 year-old to the children’s movie?

            Why can’t he remember the name of the movie?

        • fred

          Sorry mate, your posts always seem first up. I don’t mean any harm to you at all, I’m very gentle. ptsd rears it’s ugly head at times, and that picture makes me physically ill.

          • Robert R

            Thank-You. I thought you believed that I posted that, which I certainly did not. I hope you stick around and people can talk things out.
            I am certainly not looking forward to a future where every American is armed and on high=alert. But, that’s the direction we are headed in.

      • Elem187

        That football jersey photo is not a picture of him when he was 16… My god, stop spreading incorrect information… Trayvon played football in middle school (ages 11-13)…. He was in High School when he died. He wasn’t in any sports in high school, he was too busy taking drugs, getting into fights, and walking around with stolen jewelry….. Go look up Trayvons text messages, it paints a completely different picture than squeaky clean boy coming home from choir practice….. Did you know Trayvon was trying to obtain a .380? A few days before his death? Or text messages talking about making some “purp” or a cocktail of cough syrup and juice just hours before his death.

        The media is intentionally trying to manipulate YOU and you are falling for hook, line and sinker… Is your mind that weak that the media can manipulate your brain this easily?

    • Elem187

      I’m 6ft, and I have not found a single recent photo of Trayvon that suggests he is shorter than me. He was 6ft1 at a minimum.

      • mychelle

        Has anyone seen the bottom of the pic?? I recently was in a group photo and had to stand on a small ledge surrounding a fireplace! It added at least 2 inches to my height.
        But why the hell are we arguing about height?
        Is a tall person more deserving of death?
        Is height automatically an advantage in a gun fight with a shorter fatter guy?
        I would argue, NO.
        Tall people can feel threatened too.

  • Sadie Bussell Deux

    Jason, IF he was into this beverage, the fact is he was on his way home with the ingredients for it (maybe), meaning he hadn’t made it yet.

    • Occupy HLN

      Sadie, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t on it or needing a fix from it. You don’t go to 7-11 at that hour to get Skittles for your sister; you go there if you need a fix.

      I don’t think there’s a “maybe” about it. He got the exact ingredients needed for his drug of choice, Purple Drank. But HLN and the media won’t tell you this.

      ~ Jason

      • marie

        He was out around 6:30ish pm, and that is not very late nor an odd time to go to the store. What time would’ve been an acceptable time to buy skittles?

        • Robert R

          It was a tragic death for Trayvon. I don’t know about Purple Drank. There was a suggestion that there was a long time at the 7-11 counter and Trayvon may have been asked for ID to buy something whether cigarettes, a cigar to put pot in, or something else.

          He wanted to be back in time for the NBA All-Star game. Most 17 year-olds don’t walk 1.8 miles and spend 1.5 hours to go to the 7-11 just to get an ice tea and some Skittles. It could be something as innocent as wanting some privacy for a phone call or it could have been more. I don’t want to speculate like the prosecution team did.

  • Leanne

    In Trayvon Martin’s autopsy report is a toxicology report, which shows Martin had 1.5 nanograms of THC – the active ingredient in marijuana – and 7.3 nanograms of “another THC substance” found in his blood. I’m not sure what that implies. But here is EXACTLY what you need to make Purple Drank or Lean. Pretty opposite from the infamous Skittles image that the media portrayed of this “innocent unarmed child”, hmmm?
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tZ5k6hFAZ64/UeWyirDz_yI/AAAAAAAAAC4/K_IGxw0AM1Q/w530-h322-no/bd0e14bb5cabc60ea843a9e9ceab00e5.png

    • Occupy HLN

      I’ll post that picture for you, Leanne. Thanks for sharing.

      ~ Jason

    • Math_

      So its legal?

      • Leanne

        Well, if you don’t get caught. From what I’ve read around the drug culture websites, if you want to get a DXM trip– Apparently, the Arizona Watermelon & Skittles just adds texture and flavor. Just seems to be a popular choice of drink mixture. “Skittles” is a slang reference to DMX and they use the phrase “Taste the rainbow”. Codeine did not show up on the tox report, so it’s speculation that he was going home to make his drink.

        • Elem187

          Codeine does show up in a tox report because its an opiate.. Toxicology reports test the three main drug classes marijuana, cocaine and opiates.

          When you test for opiates, its one test that can detect any drug that is synthesized from the opiate plant including codeine, OxyContin, heroin, Percocet, tramadol…. It does not find dxm, as dxm is an isomer to an opiate and has completely different effects.

  • marie

    They would’ve found traces of Robitussin, and codeine in his system if this were true. How can you say this information is proof? It is more of an opinion, wouldn’t you agree?

    • Leanne

      the State never released the actual toxicology report from NMS Labs. I can’t find it anywhere–only just the ME’s “review” of the report.

    • fwvdfv

      Codine has a half-life of 2.5 h. I don’t even know if they would test for DMX in a simple immunoassay.

      Another thing, they tested his urine in the toxicology test, not a blood or hair analysis which would imply it wasn’t an extensive test.

      The toxicology hasn’t been fully released anyway, or at least i looked and couldn’t find it.

      • Elem187

        They did a toxicology which include a test of blood…. They found THC in his blood. Which means it was smoked recently before his death.

  • Robert R

    I don’t know if Trayvon had Purple Drank in his tank. The larger issue you bring out in this article is that Trayvon was in fact profiled by George Zimmerman.

    He was profiled because of The time of day and the weather and Trayvon’s behavior, not his race.

    • Leanne

      thats the whole point of this article. the media has pushed this image of this smiling innocent child with skittles. but no, when in fact, he was going home to create his DMX drink… indicative he wasn’t so innocent.

      And also exactly as you pointed out, further indicative of Trayvon’s suspicious behavior and in fact it proves GZ was not racial profiling, but criminally profiling.

      • Robert R

        Progress = good. Moving backwards = bad.
        People should learn to pick their battles carefully. The Zimmerman case is the wrong battle. Here is the right battle:
        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345

        This was just after the 2012 Presidential election. Too much listening to Rush Limbaugh? You decide.

        • Leanne

          I agree, but the media is still covering it. But if the Zimmerman case is gaining any “progress”, they’re discussing changing the “Stand your Ground”law and that could be in connection to that case also. If that guy claimed SYG and got away with it, that would be an injustice. Zimmerman was more complicated because he had injuries, but this is very cut and dry. So right now SYG is being debated in the news and they are talking about repealing that law.

          • Robert R

            I never liked SYG and I predicted these kinds of things. If they want to use the Zimmerman case to go after other things, great. But it has nothing to do with that case.They are still convincing people on CNN, etc. that there was something wrong with the verdict. I don’t understand it at all.

            That guy at the gas station is dead meat. There is no way he will get away with that. He’s gone for life. It’s one of the sickest and most callous things in the news last year.

          • Mnavratilova

            Meanwhile they have a mentally retarded BLACK man about to die on Friday, this will be the fourth time in a year, and they have a young black man serving 16 decades for theft and nobody has heard of either of them.
            http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/07/17/New-execution-time-set-for-Warren-Hill-in-Georgia/UPI-62981374082733/

          • Robert R

            If they can do something in Florida about Quartavius and free Marissa Alexander, that’s great.

            Fox news is saying that Zimmerman is a victim of malicious prosecution and a race crime. Go Fox News!! Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

          • Mnavratilova

            How is he a victim of a race crime?
            Though they could have altruistic motives, I seriously doubt it. They openly admit they take the “other side”, so. You’re getting very Foxy, now I’m worried..

          • Robert R

            Fox News doesn’t take the other side. They take the wrong side of almost every argument. The Zimmer Man has been persecuted first by the State of Florida, which brought charges that Sanford PD didn’t bring because they knew they couldn’t prove them. The State knew they had no case and brought it anyway. This is malicious prosecution. Now the Federal Government is investigating, even though Zimmerman has been exonerated by the State for any crime and has been cleared by the FBI as far as being a racist. The media has attacked him in an imbalanced way from jump and still continue to do so to this day.

            So is George Zimmerman not being persecuted because of race?

            This story is being forced to fit into narratives for the far left on the civil rights side and the far right on the gun rights side. It actually fits neither and is just a unique incident and just a tragedy of coincidental circumstances.

          • Mnavratilova

            Ok, I see the point now, I misunderstood

          • Robert R

            I like someone to challenge my views. I am not the brightest or most informed person. Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis. My opinions, unlike so many others, are always open to change in the light of new facts, new interpretations, and new understandings.

            In the beginning, there were no photos of Zimmerman’s injuries and I thought it was an outrage that they did not arrest him. I also thought he should be tried if the State had a case. Now after really trying to find in Trayvon’s favor, it was just not there to be found.

          • Mnavratilova

            Second sentence, lack of foundation.
            What did you think of B37 on Anderson Cooper?

          • Leanne

            OMG. She said she would be fine with Zimmerman going back to being a neighborhood watch captain and that she was 101% sure that the defense had their theory completely right. Pretty dumb!! Her book deal got canceled and the rest of the jury came out with a joint statement.

          • Mnavratilova

            I saw her voir dire and thought that she was just too keen: My husband is editing Good Morning America for me and I only use newspapers to line a birdcage, yeah right…
            My favorite part was when she said that Zimmerman learned a good lesson, wow…

          • Leanne

            Yeah, I remember her saying that! Apparently CNN made her look generous in that interview with their editing. There was a lot of that interview that was edited out. Wowie.

          • Mnavratilova

            I don’t think it was a good idea for her to condescend Rachel Jeantel in view of her own obvious deficiency, wowie

          • Robert R

            I am not a fan of concealed weapons carriers and there are a lot of laws that are over the top, especially in Florida and other southern states. But the law of self-defense has been around for many decades.

            Stand your ground may be god or bad, but it has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case. I resent the idea that Zimerman was only found not guilty because of the race ot the jurors or any other reason. The idea that Trayvon Martin was in fear and was stalked or was confronted by George goes against the evidence and the witnesses as well as Zimerman’s statement that night which he gave without knowing about the evidence or what witneses heard or saw what.

            Wanting to try to change laws or promote equal justice is great. But even if you take all evidence and witnesses in the light most favorable to the prosecution, I still end up with a not guilty. I resent CNN and Piers Morgan (whom I realy respected until now), etc. pushing this narrative. As for Ms. Martin who sems like a very nice lady, what are the statistics on black teens who are stalked and atacked by white men? (compare to white men who are kiled by black tens and black teens who are killed by black teens.).

            This is realy dangerous because this must be alienating liberal whites and hispanics and bringing the center over to the right. Watch what happens at the next elections. The civil rights people are puling us all backwards and they will cause a resentment which will set back their cause and the cause of progress. I am very upset by this whole thing.

            This isue is so big that I, and maybe many other people, might have to re-think our priorities and our political decisions, when a fair trial and a just verdict is impugned.

            One OJ type verdict in a lifetime is enough.

          • Dora Idiote

            Robert. I don’t know about the statistics on black teens who are stalked and attacked by white men, but I can tell you it is mostly likely a hell of a lot higher then you think. I am a white girl who has been attacked by a white man for driving with my black boyfriend in the car. The guy practically ran us off the road,and I pulled into a parking lot thinking since there’s people around he wouldn’t follow me. I was wrong and the maniac got out of his truck with a golf club ran at my car calling me a “N***** lover” and as I was trying to get out of the crowded parking lot he hit my passenger mirror off with the golf club. Up until that day I always thought my friends who are Black were just being sarcastic when they would make a comment about having to watch out for people who might want to hurt them just because they are Black. My boyfriend was from the nicest part of town, his mom was the principal for a local high school, and his dad worked for a large corporation he wore his pants above his ass and acted better then any “white kid” in school. Needless the white guy who came after us only wanted to hurt us because my passenger was Black. If something like that can happen in California in the Bay Area for that matter, then I can only imagine how frequently it happens in other parts of America.

          • Robert R

            Sounds like the backwoods of Alabama or Mississippi, but I’ll take your word for it, Dora. I hope that was decades ago. But I have read the comment sections for articles and there is surely some bad racism going on now. But it’s a small percentage. If this was in the last 10 years then I am truly surprised. Thanx for sharing a terrible experience.

            But siding with prosecutors and saying this was not a fair trial and a verdict that squares with the facts and the law is not helping matters.

            In fact, it is upsetting a lot of liberal and independent whites and latinos and it just might change the 2014 and 2016 elections away from progress. Protesting and organizing and wanting to fix laws and the justice system is great. But this was not the wrong verdict and not a racial case and wanting it to be so will not make it so.

            I do agree that it doesn’t seem right that Zimmerman kills a child and walks away.

            Charles Barkley is an NBA star from Alabama and he agrees with me. I just hope some good for everyone comes out of this.

          • Dora Idiote

            The sad thing is that happened in 2004. Before that day livingh ion the Bay Area I had never experienced anything so horrifying. It was shocking to me how many people still disapprove of mix race couples in this day in age, but never thought someone would openly act so violently because of his racist views especially in such a culture melting pot like the Bay Area. Up until that day I thought the cautious skepticism in which my boyfriend would have sometimes out in public was ridiculous to me and I never took him serious. Unless you look someone in the eye and see that hate racism brings to someone’s soul, you will never fully understand why people believe in one way or another this shooting and ultimately this investigation did have something to do with race.

            The original investigation was so incomplete when they announced Zimmerman would not face charges, what other reason could there be then the investigators thought the little burglar black boy was creeping through the wrong neighborhood that night?

            Before GZ got out his car he told 911 ” he has something in his waistband, He has something in his hand in his waistband.” If GZ had that thought in his head when he got out his car and started running you don’t think he took off after Trayvon knowing he himself had a gun and was running after someone he though had a gun?

          • Robert R

            I am very surprised at your story. I thought that kind of bull was long over. I dated a black woman in the 90s, and I took her to a restaurant / bar and she asked me if we could leave because she was felling uncomfortable. Both her parents were college professors. People at the bar were white blue collar. Many had on plaid or camo hunting outfits.

            I thought it was trivial that she didn’t feel comfortable, but it was much more than that. Look at Obama. Of course he is “not an American” and not qualified to be President because he is not form here or he is an affirmative action graduate oif Harvard or a hundred other things.

            When Herman Cain started winning the Republican primariy polls, all the stories about his women problems came out. Now, that is his fault, but that info came from high-up Republicans. Not Democrats. Cain was supposed to run for show and wasn’t expected to do as well as he did.

            If George thought Trayvon was armed, that would give him more reason not to approach Trayvon. I honestly believe he was just trying to keep an eye on him from a distance. He hadn’t done anything at that point. George had already called the Police. He doesn’t seem like the type to go after anyone.

          • Dora Idiote

            That’s kind of my point that the investigating detectives just took his word and did not question the little details like that. 30-45 seconds before he got out of his truck he told the dispatch “Yep he looks like he has something in his waistband”. However that thing that Zimmerman saw in Trayvon’s pocket of his sweatshirt was his soda can, So in my opinion Zimmerman got out of his car already thinking his life was in danger because he thought Trayvon had a gun. SO don’t you think Zimmerman already had in his mind that he might need to stand his ground and shoot Trayvon

          • Robert R

            He didn’t say he looks like he has something in his waistband. He said only that his hand was in his waistband.

            Absolutely not. If George thought his life was in danger, he wouldn’t have got out of the car. We know he didn’t pull his gun because he had a flashlight in one hand and his keys in the other.

            All hail, Saint Skittles, the patron Saint of juvenile delinquents.

          • Robert R

            Listen to the 911 recorded call. Those screams are screams of terror. Screams of someone who feels they are in fear of imminent grave bodily harm. You cannot fake something like that.

          • Dora Idiote

            Do you think that terror could be paranoia because he thought Travon had a gun and George was freaking out because he couldn’t reach his at first

          • Robert R

            It’s a remote possibility, but it doesn’t change anything. The standard is what was in the mind of Zimmerman at the time and would a reasonable person be in imminent fear of death or grave injury?

            Trayvon didn’t have a mark on him except the hole through his heart. I might not have waited as long as George did.

          • Mnavratilova

            I actually had the same feeling about the screams as you. When the screaming stopped was also telling for me. And of course each family claimed it was their boy. Unfortunately, this is just a feeling and we can’t be sure who it was. If there was a way to prove who it was to a scientific degree of certainty, this case may have taken a completely different direction.
            The screams for me were even more disturbing than the body of the dead boy in the pictures. A real tragedy.

          • Robert R

            Also, remember, cell phones are made to pick up the sound of what is closest and not backround noise. Those screams were very, very loud, and Trayvon still did not disengage. What does that tell you about intent?

          • Mnavratilova

            Well if I understand correctly the screams seized after the shot. If you consider the possibility that it could have been Martin screaming then it tells me who was fighting for their life. I really don’t know, I think there is doubt and in that sense it was the right verdict. I just have some trouble getting over a few things. I am having a difficult time digesting the fact that a guy who weighed 50lbs more, who took martial arts, who was armed, who actively pursued someone, suddenly got taken by surprise and was in fear for his life. I don’t think it was M2 for sure, he wouldn’t have called 911. It would have been better if he wasn’t trying to be batman.

          • Robert R

            After listening to George’s voice and the voice on the tape so many times, I have personally identified it as George’s voice. The evidence also points to this. George was the injured one on the bottom at the time of the screams, arm activity in a downward motion, John Good said that his view was of Trayvon’s feet. So Trayvon would be facing directly away from him.

            The sound, if coming from Trayvon, would have bouned off the far buildings. If coming from George, straight up into the air. The screams were equally heard from both rows of buildings.

            If Trayvon was the one screaming, you would have to surmise that George had pulled the gun shortly after being hit in the face. There is no evidence George pulled the gun at any time except for seconds before he fired it.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes I know it’s the collection of evidence, I’m just saying I have some trouble with this. I don’t dispute the verdict.
            Those two stories are just twilight zone…

          • Robert R

            You can surmise that Trayvon was checking towards the T to be sure George was gone. George was looking for Trayvon. They met accidentally at the T. Trayvon hit George in self-defense because George put his hand in his pocket. Trayvon ran off and George chased after him or tried to grab him or pulled the gun out. The rest is wrestling for the gun as Trayvon screams for help. George,out of embarrassment or anger, fires the gun.

            My problem with that is 45 seconds of screaming. It was longer than that because the voices caused the earlier phone calls, but the later phone calls were because of the screams. If this scenario were true, I believe, George would have fired earlier.

          • Mnavratilova

            Maybe, maybe not, but you can’t convict someone on maybe, I get that. I wasn’t crazy about the suggestions that Martin was getting skittles and tea to cook up some drank, I think it’s irrelevant even if he was. Just like nobody is delving into the molestation allegations about Zimmerman (as far as I know). Would you have a different view if you knew that Zimmerman was molesting a small child?

          • Robert R

            Nope. Either has no bearing. I just note that it is 1.8 miles to 7-11 and 1.5 hours. Man, a high school junior doesn’t go that far for a single ice tea and a single bag of candy. I could also note that I’m sure there were drinks and candy in the home before the adults went to a children’s movie that Traci can’t remember the name of.

            I remember what movie i was watching the day before I met an important Buddhist teacher. It was Goodfellas.

            This cousin was afraid of George her whole life, even after he got married, until he got arrested? Then, she wants to give that information? Skepticism about motive there.

          • Mnavratilova

            Well neither has bearing but one is being discussed, just sayin.
            I just saw an interview with Larry Elder on Piers Morgan, I have to say he makes a lot of sense and Morgan is getting more and more arrogant, am I wrong?

          • Robert R

            Your damn right, he is. I was with Piers right up to this point. He can wait with bells on for the first new-royal bowell movement LOL

            The purple drank, I thought was a really hateful and ridiculous assertion when we talked about it before Jason’e story. But after, I look at it in common sense terms. The convenience store is 2 minutes away from me and i buy no less than 4 beverages. He was discussing this type of mixture in text messages long before.

            Even if he had a bag of crack and a pin that says “kill whitey”, it would still not make a difference to me. Aslo if he had a rosary in his hand and a pin that says “Can’t we all get along?” Still, no difference for me. Even if he went to 7-11 to buy lifesavers and a glass of milk.

            There is the suggestion that Trayvon had attempted to buy a cigar to put pot in to smoke. I think Jason just wants to break the moratorium on discussing anything negative about Saint Skittles.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes I think you’re right. I think it’s a sign that I’m not brain-dead if I don’t agree with him 100% all of the time (at least for me,lol), but you have a good point. I definitely didn’t think the article he did on Genine the “mamma I made it” Yarborough was anything racist or inflammatory , I think he was rightfully pointing out that here we have some opportunists who tend to make a bad situation even worse, for self-serving purposes. I think the purple drank is as relevant as Jodi’s pot plant.
            There have been some African American people, through the media and even here, who have made some really sober statements. I think there are a lot of white people, lawyers and others, who work on behalf of minorities all the time, with little exposure or thanks.

          • Mnavratilova

            I actually had the same feeling about the screams as you. When the screaming stopped was also telling for me. And of course each family claimed it was their boy. Unfortunately, this is just a feeling and we can’t be sure who it was. If there was a way to prove who it was to a scientific degree of certainty, this case may have taken a completely different direction.
            The screams for me were even more disturbing than the body of the dead boy in the pictures. A real tragedy.

          • Leanne

            OMG, that was another horrible thing she said. Her educational background or communication ability has nothing to do with her witness credibility. Complete prejudice and wrong! Ugh!

          • Mnavratilova

            Exactly, she also forgets that she’s a middle aged woman talking about a a teenage girl, not cool. I was glad to see the other jurors immediately distanced themselves from her.

          • fred

            I would, but I can’t get past that picture. And I’m having dystopian nightmares about Aldous Huxley, and Eric Blair, who dreamt that Jung was a fictional bust in Nightmare Alley, near Sloane Square, after Liverpool was declared and incompetent fool, and who does that?
            So I dressed up as Freud, and put part of my theory outside of a non-feminist dollar, by a psychoanyalical French theorist called Luce Irrigaray. et al. and I might have even told you that already. You don’t seem to take a blind bit of Justice. So don’t expect any help from this area, when pilchards are cheaper. It’s totally farcical…
            Billy Bragg will be absolute furious. I went to school with Elvis Costello, and it’s absolutely true. People can even look it up. My alma mater was in Hounslow, along the road to Heathrow Airport.
            And now I forget to how to spell.

          • Mnavratilova

            Well you just gave me homework for two weeks, at least

          • fred

            Sorry about the homework Ms M, i for two weeks, I was posting on other websites with my head in other areas.and it was a rushed job lol
            I got a bit affected with my symptoms by the images.

          • Mnavratilova

            The dog ate my homework, no worries…:)

          • Mnavratilova

            Don’t look at it, look at this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vx1OVLX5Rc

          • mychelle

            I’ve served on several juries, two criminal and two civil cases, 3 of which involved an African American man being injured, and what I learned about racial injustice was sad. We had jurors like B37. A middle-aged or older white woman who came in with her mind made up, her attitude firmly in place as hairsprayed on as her coif. Some come right out and blather their prejudices in the jury room. Some sidle up to you at lunch break and tell you that the only reason the guy is suing is for money and ‘you know how these black men are, they just want to get some money and put on the dog.” This remark specifically referred to a man who fell and was partially paralyzed because of a company’s negligence. Nevertheless there was always one or two of these gentrified bigots among our “12 Angry Men.”
            I’m happy her book deal fell through. She’s profited enough but I don’t think we’ve seen the end of her and her hopes of “putting on the dog.”

          • Mnavratilova

            I have never been on a jury so maybe I’m just too judgmental here but I think this woman was thinking “book” from the beginning. She is one of those imo who has a very limited view of the world and who feels smarter and superior by association, her husband is an attorney ooh la la. There is absolutely no doubt that racism is alive and well, but it’s not just the black and white thing, it’s all over the place. In Europe some are considered inferior because they’re not Aryan, the Russians are despised by the former satellite counties, Gypsies are complete outcasts everywhere and the list goes on. All this is so subjective, insane and a complete waste of precious time. Whether one believes in God or evolution, we all come from a common ancestor, and that’s the bottom line.
            I’m also glad the book fell through and don’t think this is the last of it, I agree. On the positive side, I think the rest of the jury shows promise, they cut her lose pronto…

          • Leanne

            “We, the undersigned jurors, understand there is a great deal of interest in this case. But we ask you to remember that we are not public officials and we did not invite this type of attention into our lives. We also wish to point out that the opinions of Juror B-37, expressed on the Anderson Cooper show were her own, and not in any way representative of the jurors listed below. Serving on this jury has been a highly emotional and physically draining experience for each of us. The death of a teenager weighed heavily on our hearts but in the end we did what the law required us to do. We appeal to the highest standards of your profession and ask the media to respect our privacy and give us time to process what we have been through.”

          • Robert R

            The truth hurts. Yes, it is true that not a lot was done to humanize and make Trayvon come to life. His brother and his friend and parents all show and tell me good things. I felt more positive about Rachel Jeanet, but that doesn’t help my assesment.

          • http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/ George Barwood

            Fox News is doing pretty good these days.
            It’s better to be on the side of truth in the longer term.

          • Robert R

            I don’t see how endlessly braying about Benghazi and fast and Furious solves anything or does any good. I do appreciate that opposing views are available and I do try to understand their views. It’s important to note that people who believe that Jodi Arias did not get a fair trial are not just from one political viewpoint.

          • Mnavratilova

            In a statement issued the day after the sentencing, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida Wifredo Ferrer hailed Davis’s lock-up for life as sending an unmistakable warning to anyone seeking to profit from violent crime.
            “We will not allow our community to be overrun by guns and violence,” he said.
            That’s just classic, what he fails to mention is that there are six accomplices (any one of which could have been the ring leader), with whom they made deals, who are now roaming the streets while Davis is locked up for eternity. Are the streets safer now?
            The Marissa Alexander case is just mind boggling as well, she’s basically serving 20 years for a thought crime. How many times have you “felt” like killing someone, hey it happens

          • Robert R

            I whole-heartedly agree. Too bad Quartavius doesn’t look like Jamie Foxx or Will Smith. Marissa was in her own home. The husband just got out of jail for assaulting her. He proudly stated that he put his hands on all his baby mommas, except one.

            Michael Dunn fired eight shots into a car full of black kids because they were playing music too loud. Michael Dunn was intoxicated and left after that to enjoy a pizza after an out of town wedding. It’s important to note this was just after Obama won re-election. Was this a race-crime? It damn sure looked that way when it first happened and I was shocked.

          • mychelle

            Fox News will say anything to get attention. RIght twice a day is being really complimentary to them.

          • Robert R

            OMG, did I say twice a day? I meant twice since inception.

          • Kat Mandoo

            No one will care about Black people until they begin to care about themselves,. No one has that many problems without some of it being self-made . Start with the fatherless homes, unwed parents at a rate of 73%, not to mention hating anything WHITE which translates into educated. Why be proud you use drugs, shoot people, have been to prison, can’t read or spell? Rachet is a compliment to some people. Yes, I am Black and I am really sick of people and they way they act. Yes, Black and female and sick of it! Get a grip folks, get some pride in yourselves and make real improvements. I don’t mean Sharpton and the others, just take back our families and children and live right.

          • Mnavratilova

            Honestly I think that’s a completely colorblind statement you made, it applies to all of us. We should all get a grip

          • Kat Mandoo

            Thank you. I got the oddest comments from women, you are married? Had your first baby at 25, that OLD??????? Yes, married then kids, kids are married, no “outside” babies, no mess that is inherent with baby mama drama.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yeah, it’s the women that are the best. I don’t understand it?

          • fred

            Well Ms M, that is the nature of a patriarchy — to divide conquer women. It prevents solidarity amongst women, and it is like being back in the 50′s, and I worked very hard at that activism for equality in gender and race, and now I have to start all over again. I don’t like altered faces and plastic breasts for some unknown reason. I don’t know how people recognise themselves when they get up in the morning.
            What a lovely aim in life it is to live up to an idealised notion of womanhood. In age of the world terms, it’s only been 3 minutes since women got the vote. They never stop oppressing really.
            Women and black people think that ‘normal service has been resumed’. Very insular thinking. Time to get Radical I think.
            And therein lies a Revolution…

          • Mnavratilova

            And it’s been 4 minutes since they were chattel but suddenly feminism is a four letter word and a synonym for man-hater.

          • fred

            I’m glad that some people are honest about that.
            I don’t need the drama, intelligence makes you older than people.

          • fred

            It’s women who do all the work that keeps society going, .like having babies and nurturing, which isn’t easy when half the population wants you to wear 14 inch stiletto fetish shoes and breasts the size of hot air balloons, while you cook the dinner. Who for?

            Extremism in subjugation is not only in a religious world like Ms Arias et al, and the cultural drift from other nations has major impacts, and it will only get worse. I’m really mystified by unintelligence and an IQ of 50. Was it gb and gobbledygook double speakifying?

          • Mnavratilova

            I think a part of the problem is the sabotage within the gender, some gals just don’t get it..

          • fred

            Because they want to please their man, and societal pressures/expectations so great, plus the unexamined life.

          • Mnavratilova

            I agree.

          • fred

            Why am I not surprised?
            Racial and gender oppression come as a pair.
            So you have got it twice, and you have my solidarity I can assure you.
            Nasty dimwits. I have to go around smiling all day to show people I mean no harm it’s so bad. Black people live trauma every single day.
            Then they get diagnosed with something from the DSM and drugged, or self-medicate, or put in an unfair legal system that ‘profiles’.
            Prisons are bursting out, welfare is bursting out, and people think it is fine. It’s the lovely Mr Obama who is stirring, and about time too.
            People have become very nervous of a black takeover, and doesn’t it show? It might have something to do with the Revolution on it’s way, and no-one can stop it. Intuitive thinking is on the rise, so we are on to it, – make no mistake about that!!!

          • Robert R

            Nice comment. I like what Alveda King had to say. as well.

          • fred

            Has that disgusting image been removed yet?

          • Robert R

            No Fred, it is still below the Skittles photos. I guess only Jason can get rid of it. I, for one, don’t need a photo to imagine all of the trauma and heartache from this tragedy.

          • fred

            Well, I am reluctant to post on this site any more, the animal images in the Arias case live in my head, and all of this goes very much towards proving a point about negative effects of continual traumatic images so popular with hln. It’s absolute and total desensitization and you are all so used to it, that it is not even disturbing to you.
            That bothers me in very many ways. And I won’t support it.
            I will go somewhere else where sensitivity towards mothers and children is actually applauded.
            This is just sick making, I had no idea of how low people could sink.
            No wonder people shoot each other, its a grossly offensive immature attitude to have, and people should grow-up and behave like adults, and actually save people from these images if they cared.
            God humanity it turning 12 next birthday…get a grip you people.
            It’s like telling children off.
            If that’s reflective of political behaviour, then you need some national counselling. This is the 21st century for the 100th time.
            Only freaks and weirdo’s look at that stuff. Collective intelligence seems to be switched of. I’m sure they might have a pill for it or a dsm diagnosis, your Veterans will be very proud of your re-traumatising. Good one.

          • Robert R

            Why are you directing these comments towards me?

          • Mnavratilova

            Because your avatar is shaped like a target

          • Robert R

            I guess when you are new on Twitter, you start out as an egg and after you have X number of tweets or followers or something, you hatch into an Avatar of your choice. This will take me a decade, because I am failing to see the purpose or understand a lot of Tweets,

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m with you on that and I’m no worshiper of facebook either.

          • Robert R

            I don’t understand Facebook all that much. Some of it is entertaining, but I’m not quite getting it.

          • Mnavratilova

            It’s just a way for the NSA to track you easier, does that clarify it for you? Zuckerberg probably had the cubicle next to Snowden..

          • Robert R

            Thanks foerreminding me why my Facebook page looks like a box of generic macaroni and cheese. Because companies and institutions use it to make detreminations about people.

          • fred

            I hate it with a passion, it is ubiquitous and in my face every single day, it’s full of minor tripe, and profit. Meanwhile whole countries go broke while people talk about the colour of their latest fridge or bully someone to death. What a lovely world…
            It’s also anti-women, because that was the premise it was based on.
            People use it to protest about it, so that’s one good thing.
            And Occupy, which people don’t seem to get, (not you of course)
            is socialist movement, so that’s another. Socialist movements champion equal gender and and racial rights. Everyone is scared to death, which is why they keep swearing at us and talking violently, and put insensitive and highly offensive material in threads, I get very impatient with them because it is threatening the world and they are totally blind.
            That’s the reason for all the fear and anger, we are doing it already, and no-one can add 1+2. How revolutionarily silly of them…
            But I find ways around, under, in between, or over.
            Nobody is oppressing me and getting away with it. My hairy legs would have a fit! As for my moustache…lol

          • Mnavratilova

            I hear ya
            You’re back in the hovercraft, full speed :)

          • fred

            No it’s true lol! But I have to say that hovercrafts are very absurd vehicles, and enigma scares people.
            I know you can hear me too, I preach to the unconverted in my sermons:)

          • Mnavratilova

            Enigma, enema, stigma, it’s all scary

          • fred

            Yes unfortunately we can’t escape it and it’s here. Everyone needs to stop sleeping and watching telly.
            An enema would do them good, but porridge is the answer.

          • fred

            lol

          • Mnavratilova

            I was worried there for a sec lol

          • fred

            Good for you. Children should be a first priority in this world. If people need to take drugs to numb the pain of feeling outcast, society needs to take a long hard look at itself.
            Everybody needs to live in this world, not just some.
            Self-respect emanates from feeling respected and included.

          • Kat Mandoo

            Yes, we are the only species that doesn’t make a nest for our young. Well, at least many don’t and we need to plan a future for these babies we create. I really wish families were strong and close again, especially in these tough times. We need each other so much and children and folks in general that feel left out or outcast as you said are just ripe for the picking.

          • fred

            Isn’t that obvious to everyone except for the clinically blind?
            it’s just not ok to behave that way when I live in this world to and I’m totally white.
            Nobody should get away with that, there are things called human right’s and people cross them. I am a pacifist and a resister and no-one will oppress me. Join a feminist collective and get some power again.
            Cyber-feminism is gaining ground.

          • Kat Mandoo

            Well Sir , if it is soooooooooooo obvious why isn’t anyone paying it any mind? TM’s parents didn’t want him, he was shunted off to other relatives and all of a sudden he’s this model student, “thought about taking the ACT/SAT and baked cookies” in the media.
            The rest of your statement I didn’t follow, what human rights, people cross what in particular, Pacifism and what a “, Feminist collective and cyber-feminism are about this case how? I do wonder how old you are and how much you’ve observed beyond the modern media.

          • fred

            I absolutely know what you are talking about they have no idea of a future. Dystopia here we come! Not only that they have no idea it is going to get a whole lot worse if they don’t get a move on, it’s hardly started it’s revolutionary you dimwits how many times do I have to explain myself, Dear god!
            That is why it is called Occupy, thead some theory for heavens sake and the earth, what is so hard to understand?
            I can’t believe the level of intelligence!!

          • fred

            You and me both, when will growing up arrive?

          • Donald Cole

            1) Being wed has little to do with anything. 2) Whites are just as friggin trashy. Just look at the Midwest and southeaster U.S. 3) No one will care? Who is someone? Whites? Who give two fucks what you think. The very fact that you’re speaking about a race as a whole as though all of them are bad is fucking ludicrous and you’re just an example of how ignorant people in your own race can be. Should we assume everyone in your race is as ignorant as you? Man some of you fucking people are idiots.

          • fred

            Spit my teef out!:)

          • Mnavratilova

            Throw’em back in and get back on your horse man! None of this I’m leaving shit, why should we suffer alone around here

          • fred

            Well you should eat some of Her Majesty’s Royal Porridge like I do:)

          • Mnavratilova

            I meant hovercraft not horse ;)

          • fred

            I’ve discovered in my great intellectual brilliance (compared to gb), that I can scroll to the end of a thread with my eyes closed.
            So even half blind I can see racism:)

          • fred

            Nah I eat too much porridge…

          • fred

            Eek, not a nice analogy Robert.

        • Dora Idiote

          Before you post an article stating that it is a better case to battle about stop and ask yourself one thing ” Did the person that committed the crime get set free 4 hours after the crime and was the investigation incomplete before they decided no charges were going to be files?” If the answer is no then it is nothing like the Trayvon case and your obviously focusing your comparison on the wrong factors.

          • Robert R

            No, I don’t think so. In many cases the standard operating peocedure with a self-defense case is to do an investigation, collect evidence, gather witnesses, and only make an arrest when you have a case.

            In Florida you have 6 months to go to trial after an arrest. Therefore you do not make an arrest until you have a case.

            Dunn wasn’t arrested right awat either. He fled the scene after firing 8 bullets into a car full of teens. Zimmerman cooperated fully and didn’t even get a lawyer until later.

          • Robert R

            Also, Obama had just been re-elected. There was a lot of resentment about that. Dunn had just been at a wedding drinking. Do you think maybe they discussed Obama at that wedding? Do you think maybe Dunn was fed up with this? Then he goes to a gas station and a group of black teens are blaring the radio. He asks them to turn it down. They turn it up even louder. What do you think was in Dunn’s mind then as he reached for his concealed carry gun??

          • Dora Idiote

            I think he probably thought “Fucking Punks” Sound familiar?

          • Robert R

            Fucking punks = the fucking punks who were breaking into people’s homes and stealing in many incidents in Zimmerman’s neighborhood. If the perpetrators were all America Indian elderly women, then they would be the punks.

            And who was one of the few who wanted to do something about it? George Zimmerman. One home in Miami right next to Trayvon Martin’s home was broken into and many items were stolen including jewelry. Who was found with jewelry matching that description? Trayvon Martin.

          • Dora Idiote

            where did you find that info because I never heard that and don’t know if I believe that

          • Mary Keefe

            Robert r is making stuff up now.. Martin has never been convicted of any crime.. Nor was he in the commission of one that night. GZ once again in the limelight, wanted so bad to be a cop, well respected like his dad the judge, that continually gets him outta trouble.

          • Robert R

            No, Martin has never been convicted of any crime (trespassing, vandalism, posession of marijuana implements,psession of stolen property). That’s because he was a minor and the school handled these matters internally. Not that it is relevant to the Zimmerman case.

            Zimmerman did not wanted to be a cop. He wanted to work in law enforcement. There are many jobs in law enforcement besides cops.

            Trayvon was not in commision of a crime that night, though assault and aggravated battery are possible charges had he survived. Zimmerman’s father is a retired judge from Virginia. He has no status or authority in Florida.

          • Robert R

            Sorry, no it isn’t a lie. Because the school in Miami kept it out of the hands of the police. The items were in fact on a list of stolen items from a burglary near the high school. Trayvon Martin reported that a friend had given them to him. The items were sent to the police property room witnout information or charge.

            “The Miami Herald in its Tuesday editions reported that it had obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, the report said, campus security officers found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they felt could be used as a burglary tool.”

            “The Herald reported that when campus security confronted Martin with the jewelry, he told them that a friend had given it to him, but he wouldn’t give a name. The report said the jewelry was confiscated and a photo of it was sent to Miami-Dade Police burglary detectives. Miami-Dade school officials declined Tuesday to confirm the report when contacted by The Associated Press, citing federal privacy laws regarding students.”

            “Miami-Dade Police confirmed that it had been asked by school police to help identify the property taken from Martin’s backpack. It notified school police that the jewelry did not match any that had been reported stolen.”

            “Martin had previously been suspended for excessive absences and tardiness and, at the time of his death, was serving a 10-day suspension after school officials found an empty plastic bag with marijuana traces in his backpack.”

            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/27/miami-dade-police-department-trayvon-martin-not-tied-to-jewelry-theft/

            “During the course of research surrounding an internal affairs M-DSPD investigation in March/April of 2012 it coincidentally came to our attention that School Resource Officer Darryl Dunn (Dr. Krop Senior High School) filled out a report of items from a student’s backpack without criminal attachment.”

            “The internal documentation used by SRO Dunn only listed the contents of the backpack as “found items” and a burglary tool. He was trying to avoid subjecting the student [Trayvon Martin] to a criminal investigation, therefore no criminal report, nor investigation was initiated.”

            “Until we started digging, and the FOIA requests revealed not only the scheme, but the fact a victim was never made whole with the return of their items.”

            “That is, until now.”

            “Yesterday we contacted Detective Manresa, assigned to the burglary case, of the Miami-Dade Police Department to notify him some of his victims’ stolen items were actually in the Miami-Dade property room:”

            http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

          • Mary Keefe

            thats a lie

          • Robert R

            “That’s a lie.” No Mary, sorry, it’s the truth. Although no one can prove Trayvon stole the items, he was found in posession of the stolen items.

          • Robert R

            Here is the scene of the burglary.

          • Mary Keefe

            Well I guess you read the part where he didn’t get charged. There was no proof he was the person that broke in.

          • Robert R

            He was a minor, Mary. Any record would be sealed. All I said was he was found with the stolen items.

          • Mnavratilova

            Oh Robert you’re pathological

          • Robert R

            It’s a lie to state facts, but believing in fairytales and speculation is required by law in bizzaro world.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes, OccupyBizzaro

          • Robert R

            I was totally neutral at the start of the trial. To be sad and upset about what happened to Trayvon, or any unarmed person shot to death by a private citizen is only human. To acknowledge that racism is a problem in this country and the justice system needs reform, is to be realistic. To be upset at the verdict is totally understandable. But to suggest that the jury came to their decision via racist viewpoint is not acceptable to me. As a jury member, I would be even more careful than I would if Trayvon were white, to be sure I was looking at both sides fairly.

          • Mnavratilova

            Absolutely. I wasn’t crazy about B37 but the fact that the rest of the jury immediately distanced themselves spoke volumes. I never thought it was racial from Zimmerman’s point, I just wasn’t sure if he wasn’t too much batman. But you summed it up

          • Robert R

            I would say he was over zealous, but I don’t find fault in his taking a lttle looky-loo. He should have just acted like other armed citizens and gone to the deli. B37s remark that Trayvon played a huge role in his own death was insensitive. But I believed he played a role by not stopping earlier. It’s not like George tried to implement a citizen’s arrest at gunpoint from the first time he spotted Trayvon.

          • Mnavratilova

            It’s not just the Andy Cooper interview, I saw her voir dire so I have a couple of reservations about her.
            Yes well I guess I shouldn’t complain about apathy and then call Zimmie batman but I just see this guy who weighed 50lbs more ,took karate and was losing in hand to hand combat with a kid to the point of fearing for his life? I also might have a lot less doubt if this whole incident happened at midnight. But ok, as I said I hear the arguments and I accept the verdict. I’m also aware that my perception is at least in part thanks to the media filter; we heard skittles for a year, not stolen jewelry.

          • Robert R

            Well I think the jewelry is irrelevant to the case. If Trayvon waived hello at George, he would probably take that as disrespectful intention. I see it as bad circumstances that these two intersected at the wrong place and time. We have all made wrong assumptions. But you have to look at George to decide if he was just operating on a hunch and wanting to make sure the suspect was identified, or whether he was doing something more. I’m sure he didn’t want the police to come out there and just find nobody to be found.

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m sure he didn’t set out to kill himself somebody because he wouldn’t have done that at 7 on his way to Target and call the cops beforehand. I just think he’s an idiot and his brother on all those talk shows didn’t help either.
            The jewelry, the pot, the drank, none of that is relevant imo, but the point I was trying to make is that I’ve been brainwashed by the media to see a totally naive little kid and big bad George and that has an impact on a person’s perception of the situation.

          • Robert R

            I think so. I mean these concealed carries have been around for how long? I don’t have the life experience to think I need to be armed with an automatic.

            The brother I really found to be really intelligent and I agree with his statements especially against the media for blowing this story up in a one-sided way. Why? Because George must be innocent to preserve gun rights, and George must be guilty to preserve civil rights. I think this case serves neither side.

            Priorities. Lunchmeat first, tragic and needless killing of unarmed people second.

          • Mnavratilova

            The concealed weapon thing is the crux of the problem imo. This incident, as many others, would have otherwise ended up with a bloody nose. Zimmerman’s life was unlikely in danger, though he may have felt it was. It could also be that he just felt he was losing a fight which Trayvon may have started. I am sure if there was no gun they would both be alive. If the gun was not concealed they both would likely be alive.
            On the brother I disagree. I know he did a lot of interviews and I’m sure his dialogue was carefully constructed. I got a glimpse into his soul in this one:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyv2UwbWCGM
            The tweets were not something he blurted out, it takes some thought before you type them and send them. His explanation was nonsensical backpedaling. He was blaming the liberal media while he was pouring oil on the fire. I see him as a man with the smartest guy in the room complex.

          • Robert R

            I only saw the interviews during and after the trial. I do agree with him that a tweet is such a short statement that it can be misconstrued. Also that was a dumb tweet that does make a presumption of guilt. At the time of that baby-killing, I was not sure if the mother may have arranged the shooting,

            I have made comments that were so imprecise that people on both sides of an issue agreed with me because they were reading their own opinion into my comment.

            I was wondering if the mother might not have had something to do with the baby shooting ala the man in Boston years ago who claimed he and his wife were attacked in their car by a black gunman only to find out later that the husband shot her. Also the lady who claimed her kids were kidnapped by a black man only to find out later that she strapped them in her car and let the car drive into a lake.

            Mark O’Mara was right to distance himself from that tweet and he was also right to say that the media ran with a one-sided story and they ran right over George Zimmerman. They did.

            The media is pushing the exact same story even now when he has been found not guilty, I do, however want to know what is inside the mind of a suburbanite who gets strapped every time they leave the house. What calamity are they anticipating? I will look to see if there really are many times when a concealed carrier saved their own or other’s lives.

            There is someting wrong with a person who does not stop attacking when his opponent is screaming for help. Remember those screams were much louder than recorded off a cell phone. If we are to take the view that Trayvon may have felt he was being stalked and followed by a person who meant him harm. When the neighbor came out Trayvon didn’t ask for help or try to say something to the neighbor.

          • stephan pililian

            How many more mass shootings is it going to take before we finally realize that all states need a very, very strict laws for gun control or better yet, no one should be allowed to own a gun. I don’t need to protect myself if you don’t have a gun, you don’t need to protect yourself if your neighbour doesn’t have a gun and so on….Why so many people in US fixated on gun ownership, after all, none of us wants to become a statistic of a madman with a gun.

          • Robert R

            I imagine you are from the UK. When students in China expressed their fears in coming to the US (the dream of hundreds of millions of Chinese students) becasue of guns, it was difficult to respond. Specifically since the recent attempted carjacking and murder of two Chinese USC students in 2012.

            As far as gun education and gun safety, we need more controls. But the fact is that guns will always be a part of America, it was written into the Constitution specifically to prevent government from becoming too powerfull and to protect from a rogue government from taking the power away from the electorate. We are kind of married to it. So that is not a practical solution, and there are many heavily invested in not allowing that to happen.

            Arming everyone to the teeth with AR-15s and kevlar vests to go out to Dairy Queen to get a chocolate milkshake is equally unrealistic. But the real problem in America, I believe, is the culture. We have a culture of I am the knig of my castle. Each individual is the most important and the collective is not important other than how efficiently it can serve me. Violence is glorified and good role models are seen as weak, geeks, and twerps. The culture needs to change to effect any of these other legislative solutions.

            Yes, the problem is the crazy people. But how do they get access to guns and why do they feel a public massacre is the appropriate response? Why do gun owners show no obligation or responsibility to help keep firearms out of the hands of people who should not have them? Maybe someone will have the nerve to release the photos of the Sandy Hook victims. One was shot 11 times with high powered hollow point bullets that were intended to fragment into many pieces and tear into vital organs with ferocity. All were shot multiple times.

            You cannot get away from the fact that the AR-15 military style semi-automatic rifle has been the weapon of choice in many of these attacks. Why? I guess it looks intimidating. The disgruntled and dethroned King will have his revolutionary day in the sun.

            So, before we get to a time where these attacks are weekly and even daily instead of merely……..monthly, I hope we can finally decide that he culture needs to be addressed.

          • stephan pililian

            I am from LA…..many years ago my next door neighbours (engineeres) were having arguments and it ended in gunshots, police was called and helicopters were flying over our houses, police was searching for one of them, they checked my garage, house and they even checked our big trash cans. Next day, my 3 year old son and 4 year old nephew were playing in the yard (i was at work)….my sister in law called me and told me that kids found a handgun in our yard….my crazy neighbour disposed of his weapon by throwing it over the brick wall and police checked my yard the night before and did not see it. It could have ended very badly for us if my sister let kids play by themselves….

          • Robert R

            What a harrowing story. I wondered if there might br guns thrown away like that and ending up on people’s properties. Your neighboe was an engineer? Wow. So many so-called law abiding gun owners lose it one day and just start open-firing on unarmed people. I see those stories but not so many of these gun owners saving lives.

          • Mnavratilova

            I was relieved reading the end of that story.
            There are families who have lost children that way, we know that yet we keep hearing the slogan; guns don’t kill people, people kill people…

          • Mnavratilova

            The constitution argument is kind of flimsy imo, I think it’s time to define “arms”, is it a semi-automatic, a bomb, a scud or is there no limit on this interpretation? It was clearly muskets and knives at the time. If the argument is not to let the government get too much power then, number one; it’s too late and number two; the electorate should be armed with nuclear weapons. What is a civilian militia armed with revolvers going to do against a government in charge of the most powerful military in the world? That’s why it was meant to be a living constitution. I think that argument is moot.

            “No society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living.” – Thomas Jefferson

          • Robert R

            Right you are. It’s an insane idea. Yet, there are not the 2/3′s vote needed by the House and Senate and 3/4ths of all state legislatures to repeal it. You can’t simply collect signatures on Change.org, although I just noticed that’s ongoing.

            There are apparently not enough votes to even have some common sense laws. So, if we have them we need to have regulations, gun safety and gun education. I was just pointing out why the 2nd amendment was written into the Constitution and not what defines it now. Great argument.

          • Mnavratilova

            I know Robert, I was just putting my two cents in

          • Robert R

            I made the same comments about that to a 2nd Amendment survivalist type dude. Why can’t I buy hand grenades at Walmart? I’m a law-abiding citizen. What happens when husband and wife gun enthusiasts get into a really high-voltage fight?

          • Mnavratilova

            Wohow, I was just thinking about someone butting in in line at the deli counter, but good point. I know I’m glad I didn’t have a gun many a time, I might be sharing peanut butter with Jodi right now.

          • Robert R

            I expect to hear these stories anytime soon. Talking things out is so yesterday. No please don’t go join Jodi. That commissary food ain’t all that.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yeah, it’s passé, like disco.
            We’re in the fast lane, get the gun, cut the small talk…

          • Robert R

            Quit the fancy words, let’s get down to some double=action.

          • Mnavratilova

            It’s like the good, the bad and the ugly isn’t isn’t it?

          • Robert R

            I don’t think I like the tone of your voice, I’m fixin’ to git me some more guns and ammo. It’s muh rat.

          • Mnavratilova

            The tone of my voice? I’m about to launch a heat seeking missile up your butt, you insensitive, unemployed couch potato. My mother never liked you….

          • Robert R

            Ouch….You have a 44 caliber keyboard.

          • Mnavratilova

            and I’m in a good mood now..

          • Robert R

            Better register that laptop as a deadly weapon.

          • Mnavratilova

            I suppose I’ll need a concealed permit for the phone

          • Robert R

            Imagine, you can knock someone down or even kill from an incredible distance away. It’s better than a gun.

          • Mnavratilova

            Obviously, can you order pizza with your gun?

          • Robert R

            No, but I can make Swiss cheese out og the delivery guy.

          • Mnavratilova

            True. I’m a woman, practical, I like things to have more than one function, like boobs

          • Robert R

            You can have you pizza and eviscerate a poster at the same time. Godd multi-tasking.

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m a woman, it’s my job

          • Robert R

            Scary.

          • Southern Pride

            Many people are daily protected with a firearm…I would bet you any amount of money that if you took all guns from democrats that crime rate would drop by 60% or more and gun deaths would drop by 80%…just do your research and see who doing all the crime with them…The truth hurts but so does be politically correct…

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes that was Susan Smith driving her kids into the lake and who’s even worse is Diane Downs. She shot her kids and to this day claims (at her parole hearings) that it was a stranger.
            It is so strange you should say that because I didn’t think about it at all but I had a very strange feeling watching that woman talk about the guys who shot her baby, a life for a life she said. Now that you said it it clicked. That would be a strange crime, who does that for no reason, shoot into a stroller?
            However, Zimmie’s brother’s point was clear. He even posted pictures. It was also not just one tweet so it’s difficult to imagine anything was misconstrued. He could have just been angry and did something he would regret later. I don’t think so, just a feeling. I could be wrong but I feel he’s boiling under his cool exterior. He talks too much like Marilyn Monroe.
            I cannot imagine getting dressed and strapping on my Smith and Wesson to go to Walmart?? I know in Florida you drive everywhere so what was he afraid of between the two feet in his driveway to the car and the Target parking lot?
            What if someone looked suspicious at the deli counter in Target?

          • Robert R

            LOLLOL. What about Robert Zimmerman reminds you of Marilyn Monroe? If he went overboard, I can understand that. He is in his twenties? and a student in Washington DC?

            So funny and true about your 2 feet to the car statement. Maybe the clerk would try to put his thumb on the bologna scale? Maybe someone would try to grab the last economy sized bag of Fritos and George would have to draw on him.

          • Mnavratilova

            His voice, very sleepy, don’t you think he talks like Marilyn sings “Happy Birthday Mr. President”?

          • Robert R

            OMG……..LOL. He really supported his brother. I am concerned when people like him start a sentence with “The liberal media…….” The medis used to be liberal because it was a noble and not well-paid profession. But now, the news is just used to sell people’s books.

          • Mnavratilova

            Sad, I think that word is misunderstood and misused
            I do appreciate the fact that he was supporting his brother.

          • Robert R

            Some people have spent a lot of time, money and bad ideas to make it a bad word.

          • Mnavratilova

            I think so. Trouble is there is no alternative stepping in, is there?

          • Robert R

            That’s what “Obummer”(aka “the Kenyan” aka “that guy”) just said.
            “If I’m elected Mayor of New York, I’ll twitter my weiner to every taxpayer. In the end, I will be the weiner”- Anthony Weiner.

          • Mnavratilova

            That guy didn’t even have the decency to stay low profile for a year. What about Spitzer? I’m just waiting for Edwards’ weiner to resurface…
            And where is that African Arab Muslim’s birth certificate? The transparent, spotless, intelectual Trump wants to know

          • Robert R

            I lked Edwards when he first first started to run. Now I think he is selling Frgidaires to Eskimos. I heard Spitzer has one more good shot in him.. Weiner has very good hygiene, but if there is a city-wide emergency it helps to have a mayor who isn’t struggling with trying to remove his junk from a fax machine.

          • Mnavratilova

            On the other hand it could be useful, it’s where he can do the least damage

          • Robert R

            It was so funny hearing that Spitzer pulled out all the stops and cajoled and pleaded and made so many arrangements just to go to some super snoozer boring meeting in Washington about munincipal bonds just so he could hook up with a high priced bottle of Viagra in a teddy,

          • Mnavratilova

            LOL, what about the Appalachian Trail and what’s his face? Have you heard his wife? She’s a knockout, in all senses of the word. It’s almost like there’s something wrong with the air in government buildings or?

          • Robert R

            I think it goes back hundreds of years in evolution. The King needs to have his courtesans? I think with Edwards it is the need to be “Carlos Danger”. It’s like Warren G. Harding in the White House broom closet.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes, I think you’re right, it has some biological basis.

          • Robert R

            I need to get to that munincipal bond meeting, it’s crucial to my next erection…………….er….election.

          • Mnavratilova

            Now I’m dying, LMAO

          • Mnavratilova

            I guarantee you he knows nothing about fixed income securities, but he’s intimately familiar with Pfizer.

          • Mnavratilova

            ps. I was talking about Weiner at the fax but it could apply to the other two as well, Edwards with the fridge enterprise and Spitzer wherever, a bordello maybe

          • Mnavratilova

            You see, this is what I mean, Edwards talks like Marilyn Monroe too, have you noticed?

          • Robert R

            That I have noticed. I think Edwards and Mitch McConnell are both secret transvestites. Two wardrobe closets each.

          • Mnavratilova

            Lots of shoes and those purses they call “organizer totes”, please, I don’t the NSA to tell me what these two are up to..

          • Robert R

            I’m not joking about Mitch. I KNOW there is something going on with that Kentucky horses’ azz.

          • Mnavratilova

            Do I sound like I don’t believe it?

          • Robert R

            The war chest of things I would never believe in is now the size of a thimble. Thanks to America, who needs pulp fiction?

          • Mnavratilova

            Thimble, right, just about the only thing I don’t believe is that Jodi planned to kill a guy because she was pissed about Cancun, otherwise sky’s the limit.
            You should really get into Andrea Sneiderman, I’d hate to be the only one pissed about her being convicted of some puny perjury charges. Now here’s someone we can hate.

          • Robert R

            If Travis and Jodi were not attending PPL functions together as a couple for ages, why in hell would she expect to go as a couple to Cancun? Makes no sense.

            I just don’t know the facts. I do know that boss man was out at the Sneiderman home a few weeks priot to Mr.S’s murder. Boss man was hiding behind the house wit a rifle when Mr.S. stepped outside and saw him. Mr. S. called the police.

            This has all the elements of a good trial and HLN will try to squeeze every last innuendo out of this.

          • Mnavratilova

            Exactly. I can guarantee you if she was jealous about Cancun there would have been something in the texts or emails about it. She would have at least alluded to it and the prosecution would have dug that up. I cannot see Travis being happy about going to Mexico for a week with a girl who made it clear there would be no sex because she wants to be friends (translation; he doesn’t turn her on). Mexico is a place people go to get it on, for Travis there’s an extra bonus, it’s away from the prying eyes of the Mormon church. Going with Mimi would have been a waste for him. I think it’s even possible she wasn’t going because she said no.
            Even if you assume that she was trying to make him jealous with Burns then why did she move back to Yreka, she was playing hard to get? I doubt it. Strange move for a controlling, jealous maniac.
            Andrea Sneiderman denied having an affair with the boss under oath but a number of people have testified to the contrary. She knew he was shot before she was told he was. She called her boss several times on her way to the hospital but never called her husband. She told a friend that the police sketch looked like Neuman but never told the police. She was thrown out of court after threatening a witness, her best friend. She got $2million in life insurance. The problem they have is that Neuman is appealing and so he’s taking the 5th, without his testimony a lot of stuff is hearsay I guess. To date he hasn’t implicated her, that’s a problem.
            They just dropped the murder charges but if they decide to charge her in the future that would be interesting.
            You put her next to Jodi and it’s like Drusilla and Buffy.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJvJ-2H7iTg

          • Robert R

            Thanks for the link. This guy is nuts. She shouldn’t deny having an affair if she did. I wonder how Neuman was caught? The whole thing is really sick. Yup, my husband was dead, yup. No emotion there. She sounds like they are harassing her with the questions. How dare they ask her these questions! Volunteering too much information.

            My understanding is that she can get like 60 years in jail even with the top 3 charges removed. I wonder if, since it is no longer a murder trial, if HLN will air the trial? Probably. I don’r see any evidence of conspiracy yet.

          • Mnavratilova

            And her body language, the head bobbing, omg. Too late, she already said said she didn’t, under oath, and there is compelling evidence that she’s lying. “There was no time in there to call Rusty.”? wow, she just said she did call her boss.
            They tracked him down by the van which he rented I believe. I almost feel sorry for him, he’s a looney. I believe, without her this murder never would have happened but without him, maybe maybe not. Even if she didn’t conspire with him (which is questionable) she definitely was manipulating him. She sure got a new boyfriend in a hurry. Threatening her best friend, wow what a sweetheart.
            I didn’t realize she could get so much, I guess if the sentences were consecutive, stacking? Are you sure?
            Did you notice the prosecutor? I loved his soft-spoken approach, he was really pissing her off and so she was just hanging herself. So much more effective than the screamer. So much better than yes or no, she was definitely volunteering a lot, and none of it good.
            I think even if HLN doesn’t air it there is a station in Atlanta I believe that will, I read that somewhere yesterday.

          • Robert R

            The Prosecuting attorney was very good at eliciting information. There were no objections from the defense. If something bad happened to the husband, the correct thing to do is not to give details to the wife to keep her from freaking out. Under those conditions, I don’t think she would try to call him.

            I didn’t see anything damning in her testimony in that video. Maybe if there were other things that contradict it. Yes, they could make the charges consecutive or concurrent.

          • Mnavratilova

            I don’t know, I think only if I knew there was no point in calling my partner I would not call, otherwise I would try. Well the damning thing is that she says she had no idea what happened to him, nobody would tell her anything, yet she called her father in law and her best friend and told them he was shot, before she got to the hospital. The father in law you can take with a grain of salt but how do you explain the best friend?

          • Robert R

            Well if that’s true that she told people he was shot before finding out about it, that’s pretty damning. I just thought of something, they did drop the top three charges, but they can always bring those charges later.

          • Mnavratilova

            I think they may be waiting for Hemy to get a taste of prison and watch Andy party it up with her new boyfriend and the two mil. Maybe he will be more inclined to take the stand in the future??

          • Robert R

            Yes, and maybe they will use Andrea’s testimony against her. They are hoping she will trip over her own mouth and maybe she will if they let her get up on the stand and blabber.

          • Mnavratilova

            I really don’t think any lawyer would allow her to testify on her own behalf after seeing her performance in the Neuman trial.

          • Robert R

            Then it’s gonna be an awful boring trial. I would expect the prosecution to try and force her to the stand.

          • Mnavratilova

            How can they force her?
            But yes, without her it won’t be a ratings bonanza for HLN, they better try to get her up there!

          • Robert R

            They can make accusations or paint a picture that requires her testimony to defend if possible. Count on HLN to put her on tial anyway. Guilty until provrn innocent, you know.
            Andrea is a woman who acts like she is being accused of littering instead of murder.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yeah, she’s a gem. It’s women like her who have men crawling all over them, I don’t get it?
            The prosecutor was Jodi and she was Juan.
            I am counting on HLN

          • Robert R

            How dare you accuse a widow of murder! HaHa. She can cry up an ocean. He killed my poor Rusty!

          • Mnavratilova

            LOL, did you see her embracing her friend that just got off the stand (The one she threatened two minutes later)? The kiss of death..
            Do you think the loon came up with this on his own?
            I mean he had his own wife and 5000 employees, he’s not exactly your typical maniac.

          • Robert R

            She must have been doing something extra special in bed, then. Something the wife wouldn’t do.

          • Mnavratilova

            Well you know what they say about dancers…

          • stephan pililian

            You weren’t watching Fox news….T wasn’t a totally naive little kid but he wasn’t a big bad wolf either. I agree with you, GZ is a total idiot.

          • Mnavratilova

            No, you’re right

          • Donald Cole

            Actually, citizen’s arrest doesn’t apply, because it would require Zimmerman to have witnessed him committing a felony or to have reason to believe he has just committed one.

            “A private citizen does have the common law right to arrest a person who
            commits a felony in his presence, or to arrest a person where a felony
            has been committed, and where the arresting citizen has probable cause
            to believe, and does believe, the person arrested to be guilty. Even
            though there was time to obtain a warrant, a private citizen may make
            such an arrest and justify his failure to obtain a warrant by proving
            the person arrested was actually guilty of a felony. ”

            Not the case with Martin. He was simply walking home. In fact, Zimmerman never had a reason to leave his vehicle and confront Martin.

          • Robert R

            It was poor judgement to leave the vehicle. But George does not have to stay in his car in his own neighborhood. I didn’t say that George had the right to make a citizen’s arrest. I was saying that he wanted to see where Trayvon went and there is no law against that. He didn’t draw his gun and go hunting trayvon down like some people want to believe.

            Yes, Trayvon hadn’t commited a crime (except trespassing on the neighbor’s lawn according to George). But assault and aggravated battery are crimes. The evidence suggests that Trayvon was not simply walking home.

          • Rob

            Well I heard that Zimmerman rescued a family of 6 from an SUV accident recently. Superman? Correction family of 4

          • Mnavratilova

            They were correctional officers? Wow he’s a good sport.

          • Donald Cole

            It’s Naive to believe that a Jury can’t come to a conclusion that isn’t racist. In fact, it happens more often than not. In fact, black people are statistically more likely to be wrongly convicted. Look at all the numbers of black people that are proven innocent through DNA. The numbers don’t lie. Zimmerman murdered Martin. He admittedly left his vehicle, against dispatchers/law enforcement’s orders and pursued martin. He accosted him and then shot him when Martin started kicking his stupid ass. End of story. Zimmerman murdered a kid that was trying to protect himself from a bulling that was assaulting him.

          • Robert R

            That’s what I just said in the previous post, Donald. “The justice system needs reform”. Yes, black people are more likely to be convicted, but their rate of crime by percentage of population is much higher than other races. They also are more likely to have public defenders.

            If you saw the trial you would know that the contentions that Zimmerman was ordered not to leave his vehicle by the police and that Trayvon was just trying to get home with his Skittles has long been dispelled. Zimmerman was told by a dispatcher who is not a police officer that “we don’t need you to do that (follow Trayvon)” after he had already left the car when he was near the “T” at the end of the two rows of buildings. Zimmerman said “OK”. There are no witnesses and no evidence to say he continued to follow Trayvon after that.

            Trayvon was between the two rows of buildings or somewhere else for 4 minutes after George lost sight of him. Trayvon had already approached George once when he doubled back when George was in his car. The witnesses and the evidence say the commotion started at the “T”. This means that Trayvon approached George for the second time that night in the dark. So, how can anyone say he was afraid and just wanted to go home? He didn’t hide either.

            Seconds after the witnesses heard the loud voices, Trayvon hit George in the face. He didn’t run away after that, or after he was on top of George, or after George screamed for help, or after the neighbor came out and told them to stop.

            George had no less than six injuries, but Trayvon had none before the gun was fired. Trayvon kicked his stupid ass, and most people would stop after George had screamed for help, thereby surrendering. The screams alone show that George was in fear of great bodily injury or death and it also shows that George tried to avoid using his gun.

          • Donald Cole

            Again, you are talking about Zimmerman leaving his vehicle on foot. To walk after Martin. The skittles and can of soda were not dispelled!! There are photos from the trial with police HOLDING THEM UP IN EVIDENCE BAGS!!! Zimmerman admitted to trying to follow and question him. Do you honestly think, Martin would try to double back on Zimmerman, had he not known Zimmerman was behind him ON FOOT!!! Seriously, what sense does that make. If Zimmerman had only got out of his car after he lost sight of Martin to pursue him and the suddenly change his mind and doubled back to his car after the dispatcher had told him the didn’t need him too…

            Then you write this, “Seconds after the witnesses heard the loud voices, Trayvon hit George in
            the face. He didn’t run away after that, or after he was on top of
            George, or after George screamed for help, or after the neighbor came
            out and told them to stop.” HE DIDN’T HAVE TO RUN AWAY!!!! Stand your ground remember????? The same can be said about Zimmerman!! He was never cornered by Martin!! He never once tried to run away!

            Furthermore, why should we believe a man’s testimony that has serious character flaws. He was busted lying about not having money to defend himself. He and his wife were stashing money. Most of what you’re saying is based on his word. You even admit the time in question, there were no witnesses. Come on!! You guys are grasping at straws to justify this guy’s obvious murder.

          • Robert R

            Stand your ground, in Trayvon’s case, implies that Trayvon was attacked by Zimmerman. There is zero evidence of that. The use of force doctrine states that you can meet force with equal force. Trayvon didn’t have a mark on him. You do not have the right to whale a person in the face because you don’t like what they are doing.

            There is NO law agaimst following someone and NO evidence that George was anything but trying to locate him from a distance..

            How is your reading comprehension, Donald??
            It has been dispelled that Trayvon was MERELY trying to get home with his Skittles. During the non-emergency 911, Trayvon doubled back and walked around Zimmerman’s car. This is recorded and cannot be disputed. 4 minutes elapsed between the time Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon, who went “between the rows of buildings” and the time where they met at the “T”.

            That can only mean that Trayvon went back towards Zimmerman. Trayvon spotted Zimmerman, probably he saw the little flashlight light, and he said “oh shit” to Rachel Jeanet on phone. Trayvon told Jeantel he saw Zimmerman. Then Trayvon confronted Zimmerman and attacked him.

            Anyone who watches the trial with an open mind will see the objective evidence. Closed minded racists will not see the objective evidence. No one is relying on Zimmerman’s word. The evidence and the witnesses back up his story. There sre no witnesses or evidence to back up your imaginary story.

          • Donald Cole

            Nice try….The trial and testimony are all on the web. Zimmerman left his car and pursued Martin and was in the Dog Run area, by the T when it all went down. The only “evidence” supporting Zimmerman going back to his vehicle, is his own testimony. In FACT witness, Selene Bahadoor heard two people run by. The defense tried to get rid of her because of her testimony. I think it’s you that has a reading comprehension problem. Consistent with Zimmerman’s testimony, but also proving that he was indeed actively pursuing Martin. Let’s not forget that Zimmerman was also caught hiding a passport and lying about money. What happened is Zimmerman pursued Martin and tried to detain him and when Martin kicked his dumb ass Zimmerman shot him.

          • Robert R

            Nice theory, but there is no evidence for that. There is evidence that Trayvon approached Zimmerman twice. The T is the absolue entrance to the rows of buildings where Trayvon was for four minutes, so how did Zimmerman appraoch Trayvon?

            So what exactly is your theory that George attacked Trayvon?

            Zimmerman’s wife is accused of lying about finances. Nothing has been proven about that. Wanting something to be true can’t change the facts of the case.

          • Jennie Lawrence

            GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT he was not ordered to not to get out of he vehicle, what was said was we don’t need you to do that listen to the act call to police and TM backtracked and came at GZ but then again idiots believe in fairytales so keep on believing yours and I will keep believing the facts that can be proven

          • http://www.facebook.com/donimusmaximus Don Maximus

            Get your facts straight! I never said he was ordered to stay in the car. He was told not to follow. Tgis was said when he was up by the club house. The only evidence we have That TM backtracked is GZ testimony. So don’t use the word fact. Since facts show that where the incident occurred shows that GZ followed him all the way back behind houses. The only fairytale being bought here is GZ’s. Way to drink the koolaid. You must be republican.

          • Joseph Stoker

            Your words, “He admittedly left his vehicle, against dispatchers/law enforcement’s orders and pursued martin”.

          • Joseph Stoker

            One thing wrong with your statement. He was not told to stop pursuing Martin until after he was already pursuing him. He accosted him then shot him is just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence to support that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/donimusmaximus Don Maximus

            He was told not to follow when he was on the phone with the dispatcher up by the clubhouse. You need to research the case a little more. He not only followed Martin on the road bu down a path between two buildings where the murder happened.

          • Donald Cole

            Please show us the evidence. Until you do, you’re just speculating.

          • Robert R

            The one who is speculating is you. Trayvon was found with stolen jewelry in his backpack. The jewelry was stolen from a home near his school. I gave two references in my post. These are facts. Notice i didn’t say he stole the jewelry, only that he was found with the stolen items in his backpack. I also said it was irrelevant to the Zimmerman case.

          • Donald Cole

            Still waiting on some links.

          • Robert R
          • Dora Idiote

            Yes but the police completed their investigation a short while after the shooting without contact some of those neighbors that testified and without contacting the person Trayvon was on the phone with at the time of the shooting. That right there alone is a huge red flag that they did not bother conducting even a half-ass investigation before they decided the investigation was over and no charges were going to be filed. That’s when the family hired Crump and started an investigation of their own eventually leading to all the civil rights advocates to get involved

          • Robert R

            It does seem that it was not a thorough investigation. But they cannot devote an entire force and special squad to just one incident. The lead detective and some others were satisfied that it was a clear self-defense case.

            The investigation was not finished when the civil rights leaders got involved. Even with all the involvement I would say the original investigators have been vindicated because there’s not much to say it happened a different way.

          • Dora Idiote

            The investigation was not closed but it was pretty clear when Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee says that Zimmerman has not been charged because there are no grounds to disprove his story of the events, that they obviously weren’t looking too hard to find anything that might contradict Zimmerman story . It was 2 weeks after the shooting and he gives a statement basically saying we looked but we didn’t find anything. They didn’t even get Trayvon’s phone records and that is like one of the easiest subpoenas to get. Especially if they can get the parents cooperation.

          • Robert R

            …..and there still are no grounds to disprove his story, Dora.

            Trayvon was the victim, not the suspect, so they were not going to investigate him unless here were grounds to look further. Why they didn’t use his phone to identify him is a mystery, but naybe they did.

          • Joseph Stoker

            The phone records helped Zimmerman.

          • Joseph Stoker

            Zimmerman did not commit a crime. Thus he was not arrested. He was only arrested after public outcry and the President sticking his nose into things he shouldn’t. This was confirmed in a Court of Law of a trial that should never have happened.

          • Dora Idiote

            If a complete investigation isn’t conducted how does one figure out if a crime did or did not happen. Don’t you need to talk to all parties who have information relative to what was going on right before, during and right after the incident…

      • mychelle

        You use “in fact” a bit too liberally, Leanne. This article postulates that TM was using this mix but neither the author or you know this “in fact.”

        • Leanne

          you’re correct, I mispoke. It is speculation.

        • Leanne

          Although, mychelle, I do want to point out that Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles combined is talked about on drug-culture blogs, dated before Trayvon’s death. Just a coincidence? Something to consider.

      • Dora Idiote

        This article that someone else wrote and Jason copy and pasted to his web site is completely fabricated. Just like those photo shopped tweets. They aren’t even the correct format a tweet would be posted in. Another example of you people believing every little thing you read on this site.

      • JimmyPete

        jesus project much, the kid had no cough syrup on him, he was going to his father’s girlfriend’s apartment, and btw if you google “lean” all you get are these pro Zimmy posts, even the Urban dictionary doesn’t have it as a drink or drug, another right wing self fulfilling post feeding on each other

      • Dee

        wow the circularity of this argument is rather scary. I have just read an article about all the criminal trouble that the Bush (yes as in presidential and gubernatorial kids) got into and they make Trayvon look like a choir boy.

        So your argument is that because it is possible to make this DMX mix with the two items that he had that must have been what he was going home to do.

        Thus if that is what he was going home to do, that means that he must have been up to something suspicious, thus it makes sense that Zimmerman (who had no idea that this kid might be going home to possibly but probably not make this DMX mix) would have thought him suspicious, and thus based on his psychic powers known that he should follow and harass this kid. Who even if he was going home to make this drink, still was probably not going to get into any trouble that night.

        But because he is not that innocent, that somehow makes his death OK and less tragic.

        WOW…. just WOW.

        • Leanne

          Dee, thank you for coming by to respond to my comment, because I knew I’d have to emphasize and clarify what I said at some point. My comment was focused on the media’s narrative of Trayvon with its image of this innocent child with Skittles. (And who can forget that smiling photograph of him at like 10 years old?) This tactic is deceptive and sensational and led to a race war and a trial that should have not happened in the way it did. Just because I criticized the media absolutely does not mean I don’t feel sadness for the Martin family who lost their son.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasonpaulweber Jason Weber

            Well-stated, Leanne.

            ~ Jason

      • tlc kijiji

        And you are retarded.

    • BeeSmart

      How did George Z go from a neighbor hood watch guy to a homosexual rapist on the prowl. A bit paranoid on Martin’s part no. Lean might have caused his overreaction to being passively followed.

      Five recent criminal events committed by black teens would indicate common sense on GZ’s part rather then profiling. But this site will never change anyone’s mind since people’s positions are political and viewed from two different points of view and life experiences. A teenager is dead.

      Press never reported on the lean story. Guess it is a military secret. Wonder how many African/American kids were laughing their heads off when the oh so concerned liberals were handing out skittles and Ice Tea at their rallies.

      What a joke these uninformed people are. Living in their white bread world making judgments about things they have NO information or experience about.

      • Robert R

        In the end it is speculation, but it is speculation based on facts. I guess it is not permitted to speculate based on facts while it is just jim dandy to speculate based on no facts.

    • Dora Idiote

      The time of day, 7:30 at night is an suspicious hour to be walking home?

      • Robert R

        Yes, Dora. it is a suspiscious hour because right after dark is when the burglaries were occuring. Trayvon was reported by Zimmerman to be on a neighbor’s lawn when first spotted. That house and surrounding houses were broken into recently because they are the ones near the pathway by the back entrance to the complex.

        Trayvon then proceeded past George, looked in his car, walked away. Then George drove in his direction and stppoed. Then Trayvon came back, walked past his car and ran. Is that not suspicious behavior? I think it is.

        • Dora Idiote

          That’s not how that happened I’ll find the map of the path in relation to where George past Travon went around the corner and parked and the path leads straight to where George parked. Travon didn’t come back to his car George park where he knew the path route came out at.

          • Robert R

            All I have said is uncontroverted evidence directly from the trial. Trayvon did come back to the car, it happened right on the non-emergency 911 tape.

            This would be a spectacular historical racial event, except for the fact that it’s not. Traci and Sabrina are very good spokes people. I would happily protest the verdict myself, but I can’t after I watched the trial.

            I really don’t like people wearing concealed guns just to go shopping, so I would have no problem condemning Zimmerman, another in a long line of idiots carrying a gun, but the facts don’t bear that out.

            You know, Ijust changed my mind. I think the protests are a good thing so that concealed carry people will think three times before pulling out a weapon.

          • Mnavratilova

            I just can’t get over the fact that this moron went to Target packing heat.
            Do you think that if he hadn’t had the gun he would have ended up dead?

          • Robert R

            Ummmmm, I suppose some neighbors would come outside and Trayvon would have to stop. I would run away in less than a minute after the neighbors started coming out.

            So, I think everyone would live. Think about it. There are 1 million concealed weapons carriers just in Florida. So many so-called law abiding weapons owners end up doing something stupid because they can’t control their tempers, drink to much, and don’t know how to de-escalate a situation.

          • Mnavratilova

            I wish he had just shot him in the butt or something. I saw a documentary where the guy was quoting some stats and he said that a lot of the barroom brawls and such, which would otherwise end up in a bloody nose, end up with a death when someone has a gun. That’s how scores are settled. But if this is the case then even gun control is not the answer. Stand your ground just compounds this problem, it gives people an excuse, makes them more emboldened.
            I know SYG was not used in defense here but it may have played an inadvertent role in Zimmerman’s state of mind at the time of the incident.

          • Robert R

            I would hope that he felt that if he just fired straight up or something that Trayvon may have gotten his gun. They teach you not to pull it unless you plan to use it.

            I keep pointing to the story of the Vermont landlord who shot two teens to death over parking.
            http://www.pressherald.com/news/Biddeford-man-.html?pagenum=full

            Here is a story where a homeowner shot a man because he mistakenly pulled into his driveway. Not coincidentally, it was during the “theys comin to git muh gunz an take away muh gun rats” era.
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/phillip-walker-sailors-kills-immigrant-gps-wrong-house_n_2574273.html

            But there are thousands of idiots with guns stories, those two are just my personal faves of 2012-2013.

          • Mnavratilova

            It’s true, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. So maybe we should forget about regulating guns and start regulating idiots, that would be a hell of a job creation program don’t you think?

          • Robert R

            That’s why people are talking about gun safety and gun training instead of gun control. I personally believe that all gun owners should have continuing education classes, including anger management and conflict resolution. Also, all primary students should have a gun, bullying, and conflict classes. Then, after that, if they do something stupid with their gun, throw the book at them. Give tax credits or discounts on ammo or camouflage pajamas for taking the classes.

            The NRA or, better, other firearm associations that will be more responsible, could franchise the classes. If gunowners don’t like it, they can stick a pistol up their ass and pull the trigger. I would only ask “Hey man, what caliber?”.

          • Mnavratilova

            Oh yeah discount ammo, that’s all we need.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

          • Robert R

            I want to hear all the stories there are supposed to be about the thousands of concealed carriers who saved themslves or someone else from an armed criminal. They are rarer than a one winged dodo bird.

            The suggestion that a George Zimmerman type would rise up to save a crowd of strangers from a crazed gunman instead of just protecting him / her self and family / friends, is mystifying to me. But perhaps I am not as optimistic and lack the same Joie de vivre as a suburbanite who gets strapped to go to the local Dairy Queen for vanilla cones, no sprinkles.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes that same argument about the mass shootings is ridiculous, if you’re armed you will stop the nut, I think not. I would bet that most of the people who were involved in the recent mass shootings (excluding the schools) were probably gun owners.
            I agree, sprinkles and all..

          • Robert R

            I hope we can move on to Andrea Sneiderman. There’s much more comedy there. Helen of Troy was the face that launched a thousand ships. Andrea Sneiderman is the face that launched maybe one kayak.

            Who would kill for her?

          • Mnavratilova

            Oh I’m glad you said that. It’s not just her face she’s is sooo antipathique I don’t know if I can be objective here.

          • Robert R

            I wonder what her story could be? But she has a chance, mainly because her boyfriend seems like a whacked out kook.

          • Mnavratilova

            I almost feel sorry for the loon. Her story is that he was stalking her and she didn’t know anything about it (contrary to a number of witnesses including a close friend of hers). Have you seen her testimony at Neuman’s trial? But here is the cherry; evidently she was having an affair with another guy, who left his 6-month pregnant wife for her. She sure gets a lot of action for a woman with an electronic anklet and a cobra personality. I hope they get Demorte to do her assessment.

          • Robert R

            Having affairs is not murder. If there is a love triangle between two guys and Miss Kayak, there’s a motive for jealousy or revenge by the boss man. This guy supposedly heard the opposing counsels of Barry White and Olivia Newton John. Good choices, BTW. telling him to do opposite things.

            The fact that the murder was done in public in front of many witnesses in the light of day speaks to her innocence. The more I think about it, the more strongly I think about it. The boss will testify for the defense and tell the jury Andrea was not involved. Some or all charges may be dropped.

          • Mnavratilova

            How do you know the boss will testify for the defense? Are you guessing? I don’t think she scored any brownie points with the boss with her testimony, brutal..

          • Robert R

            No, it was just reported. I meant to say all or most of the Major charges will be dismissed.

          • Mnavratilova

            Ok, I just saw it. JVM is more upset than me, she just keeps saying: WHY? WHY? WHY?

          • Robert R

            Everything she says sounds upset or excited. I swear I have to turn the volume down for JVM. Druuming up the intrigue is her job. Gotta have some controvery now.

          • Mnavratilova

            Can you imagine her at the diner table?

          • Robert R

            JVM wrote a book about Jodi. Who could imagine.

          • Mnavratilova

            Are you gonna wear earmuffs when you read it?

          • Robert R

            Is that not crazy? Is that a conflict of interest? Report and create news and then write about it. And Jason was up in arms about Beth Karas.

          • Mnavratilova

            I don’t think he considers Jane a journalist. I think he said she’s not a journalist, a lawyer a psychologist, we don’t know what she is. Well now she’s an author.

          • Robert R

            She’s a journalist, a piano tunist and an opportunist. There are some things I like about her and she had some independent opinions I agreed with. She stood up for Jodi, briefly at one point.

          • Mnavratilova

            I like the fact that she fights for animal rights.
            What did she say about Jodi? And when did she write a book, the trial ended 5 minutes ago? Is she writing a sequel in September?

          • Robert R

            Just like inside info. Maybe human interest. She has published before. She’s still a human air raid siren.
            Nancy is a crazy psychotic narcisistic looney bird.

          • Mnavratilova

            She doesn’t see it as “creating” news, she thinks she’s Woodward and Bernstein

          • Robert R

            I guess. She sure thinks she has Arias figured out. That Juan Martinez exposed all her lies. yeah.

          • Mnavratilova

            If boss knew about the third guy then he wouldn’t get too far by killing the husband, one down one to go or what? Yes an affair is not murder but she has a small problem with perjuring herself in the Neuman trial. She has another problem if that testimony will be admitted in her own trial because even if she doesn’t take the stand the jury will see her charming personality.

            Berry White is the best but I suspect that was the lawyers idea.
            I need somebody guilty to be tried, I’m sick of getting abused on here.

          • Robert R

            i don’t know enough about it. HaHa, JVM just made a comment similar to the kayak comment.

            We need something everyone can agree on, like ice-cream.

          • Mnavratilova

            Have you seen her testimony in the Neuman trial?

    • CA Isaacson

      Your right. Why was he not walking right out front in the open? Zimmerman being a Neighborhood Watch, called 911 for a reason and it had nothing to do with race. Its not like he did not report what he was observing about Trayvon. Zimmerman was doing what police have been asking us to do- Get Involved. There had been a lot of break ins. I was involved in Neighborhood watch yrs ago.. Its not unusual when police don’t get there on time to yell what are you doing there. Its for the main purpose of letting them know hey some one is watching you. Neighborhood “WATCH” .And there are times you react and maybe get closer then you should. Your looking out for your neighborhood and that,s exactly what Zimmerman signed up to do.

    • Cracker

      and the assumptions were correct

    • Black Racism

      The autopsy report indicated brain AND liver damage (most normal 17 year olds have brain and liver damage from drug use, right?), but the media hid this fact well

  • fwvdfv

    What the media also doesn’t mention is that his Twitter username, no_limit_nigga is slang related to the Florida National Black Foot Soldier Network. A group that celebrates the death of innocent white people:

    http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.blogspot.ca/

    Also, he was breaking TWO Laws when George Zimmerman spotted him, 1) Trespassing on people’s property, and 2)Loitering.

    He was clearly casing the place out. The burglery equipment and dimond necklaces found in his locker ascribes to this.

    All this evidence is out there. Black people seem to ignore all the facts, or they’re incapable of processing it.

    • Math_

      WTF? Get off that purple drank

    • Leanne

      Wow…… Speechless.

  • MargieAtPolitiChicks

    OUTSTANDING reporting!

  • fred

    Well it just goes to show you that you should never attempt walking while you are black.
    But don’t tell that to crazy people who create sun beds, – for money.
    Heaven alone knows why people might sun-tan if it makes them black.
    They might get a death penalty.
    What happens if you are black and you can’t walk?
    My sympathies to his suffering family.
    If I was a black person, I would want someone to address the wider issues of racism.
    I can see no value in closing a door after a horse has bolted. If it was an equal society we should ask ourselves why young Mr Martin might or might not have been using drugs in the first place? And if racial profiling was acting as an agent for the state?
    Because that is a very dismal view of affairs, nationally and internationally.
    We have only one planet to share, and it’s just not ok to reject half of it.
    Prisoners in space will be next, like the old hulks of ships they used to use. It’s probably a cheap alternative on the drawing board right now.

    • Elem187

      A better conclusion to draw in this case is parents teach your kids the diffence between right and wrong… Teach your kids not to beat people up unprovoked.

      • Robert R

        The protesters are adamant that they will not stand for one more black child needlessly killed. Yet what is going on in these major cities like Chicago doesn’t count. I assume because black children killing black children is also caused by racism.

  • ChloeLove

    Interesting, so all these people who are using the skittle and iced tea as a symbol that he was this innocent kid (which by the way, is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. I mean come on, anyone could have those things, a 5 year old kid or a freakin’ serial killer could eat skittles and drink ice tea, one has nothing to do with the other!) are completely wrong.

  • Guest

    Someone needs to notify the CDC, because with the amount of stupid going around these days, I swear it must be a highly contagious disease.

    Wake up, and pull your heads out of your collective rear ends.

    We know that Trayvon went to the store to buy a bag of Skittles and a can of Arizona Iced Tea.
    How do we know this?

    There is a friggin’ video with a time stamp showing what he bought! On top of that, the cops found both the can and the Skittles, the store was able to match their register receipt with the time stamp on the video.

    • Robert R

      No one is contesting what Trayvon Martin bought at the store. What you are saying is common knowledge. This article is about a posible purpose of those items to make Purple Drank. Trayvon texted a lot about Purple Drank and that he liked it and had used it often. Your comment makes absolutely no sense.

      • Guest

        No, this whole post makes absolutely no sense.

        There is plenty of actual testimony from Trayvon’s future step-brother who said that the Skittles were for him. After all, he was at his FATHER’s house, who was keeping a pretty damn good eye on the kid after being suspended from school for a week.

        I know that people like you are desperate to have ANY negative behavior on this kid in order for you to justify the idea that this kid was gunned down for now friggn’ reason. I suppose it makes you sleep better at night or something.

        The kid’s dead. Zimmerman got away with killing him under Floriduh’s SYG law. It’s over, move on. The fact that you still have a need to smear the victim in this thing only goes to show that you probably have some issues of your own.

        • Nick

          Oh no someone said something unsaintly of Saint Skittles quick run to his defense.

        • Robert R

          The negative behavior did not matter. It was not brought up at trial. We can talk about it now, though. I am suspicious that the step-brother claims the Skittles were for him. He was gone for 1 1/2 hours and 1.8 miles, maybe he shouldn’t have left for that long. Maybe they were for the step-brother and maybe they were for purple drank. Maybe he smoked pot on the way home too. Maybe not. George thought he was on something, the way he was acting.

          Most high school juniors do not walk 1.8 miles to get a bag of candy and an Arizona ice tea. Maybe he just wanted to get out of the house for a while. Maybe he needed the Skitltles as an excuse for going to the 7-11.

          I don’t have to justify why Trayvon was killed. He punched George in the face, then got on top of him, then pummeled him in the face some more, and hit his head into concrete. He didn’t stop after the hit to the face, or after he had him on his back, or after he screamed for help, or even after a neighbor came out and told them to stop.

          So the reason is self-defense. The SYG law had zero to do with the Zimmerman trial. I think they should maybe get rid of that law.

          You should move on. Trayvon Martin is dead because he made a series of bad decisions. He could have stopped at many points before George felt that he had no choice.

        • Janice McKenzie Dillard

          SYG law had nothing to do with this case. His defense was ‘self-defense’ which we Americans had better hope we continue to have the right to have. If not, we will be herded into the FEMA camps just like the Nazis did the Jews as well as many other dictators have done. You ALL need to get educated and understand that all of this hoopla is to keep you from knowing that WWIII is starting in the Middle East and that O is wanting to stir this stuff so he can declare martial law, disarm the public–you don’t have to believe me–just get educated about what is REALLY going on with all of this focus on this case which is to divert you from what is REALLY going on in this country. You had better or we will not have a country which resembles anything that you want to live in.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasonpaulweber Jason Weber

            I don’t know about the FEMA camps and false flag conspiracies for gun control and all that, but I can say that you’re correct, Janice, that Zimmerman’s defense wasn’t SYG, but self-defense.

            ~ Jason

    • Laura Kate MacArthur

      So Trayvon was guilty of stupidity and being stoned. But George was guilty of disobeying the police orders to STAY in his car, to NOT follow the boy. He STARTED the fight with Trayvon and when it looked like he was going to lose, he pulled out a gun and shot an unarmed boy. The term is CULPABLE and I’m sure we’ll be hearing much more about that word in the civil and federal trials.

      • Robert R

        Sorry Laura, there was no “police order to stay in his car”. There was no police order to not follow. There was a suggestion by a dispatcher after George got out of his car. There is no proof George followed Trayvon after that suggestion. There is no evidence that George started the fight, while there is evidence that Trayvon started it.

        A lot of gun violence is done by “law-abiding gun owners” against unarmed people, including spouses children and neighbors. But you can’t change the facts of the Zimmerman case.

        • joesphx

          At one point, Trayvon was about 20 seconds from home at a walk. Why did he not go home if he was frightened? Instead, he disappeared for a total of 4 minutes. What was he doing during that time? Why didn’t he call 911, we know he had a phone one him. No, the truth is, his friend and he talked about the “crazy-assed cracka” and how he should attack him. And that is exactly how it went. He used that time to wait for Zimmerman in order to play “king”, which is s sucker punch. And ask yourselves one other question, why were there no typical people in a black boy’s life to stand up for him at trial? No sports coach, no church pastor.

          • Robert R

            Some people would say he didn’t want to lead Zimmerman to his home where only his 12 year-old step-brother lived. Yet, even so, witnesses and the keys and little flashlight place the start of the fight at the “T” with the big flashlight nearby. The inescapable conclusion is that Trayvon went after George and hit him in the face almost immediatley.

            Trayvon’s friend, Rachel Jeantel, said this week that it is S.O.P. in a dispute to “blood” your opponent and “Whoop asssss”. In other words, make then bleed right away and keep on hitting them. Who knows what else Jeantel would have said, like maybe she knew what he was going to do. Maybe that’s why she was so reluctant to get involved?

            At the trial, there was a moratorium placed on discussing the pasts of George and Trayvon, good or bad. Yet, the trial is over. Sorry I have yet to hear from such a coach or pastor any inspiring story about Trayvon.

            Not to be unkind to Trayvon’s memory, but I just expected to hear something like that about him.

          • Elem187

            Trayvon may or may not have been a good kid when he was younger, but he was all about fighting for fun, taking drugs when he was 16/17

          • Robert R

            Teens experiment, make bad choices and are excessive. That is what they do. Hopefully they survive that phase and grow and change. But sometimes this leads to tragedies (Dui, fatal car crashes, drug overdose, assault, homicide and suicide). Trayvon is just one of these teens.

  • fred

    Oh god, whoever put that extremely tactless photograph in this thread, please take it down.
    It is very very traumatising material, and a disgusting insensitive inhumane thing to do.
    Who ever it was should take it down immediately. It’s more offensive than I care to know.
    Your country needs a swift kick in the metaphorical bollocks for your blatant racism.
    We only live on one planet, and we can do without any more obscene divisions.
    It’s revolting, – so behave yourself and have some respect for yourself if no-one else.
    I can hardly get past the first post can I?
    Is that a blocking mechanism or are you completely insane? I don’t even know who you are.
    I care about humanity, and living in the only world we’ve got.
    It’s my universe too in case you hadn’t noticed.

    • fred

      Oh and as I am talking to myself, tea parties indeed.

      • RSpung

        you are one crazy motherfucker.

        • fred

          And you are exactly who I am talking about, and thank-you for the very fine example. Visionary thinking and philosophy is clearly a bit hard for you and you don’t or can’t think deeply as in deep psychology.
          Need a picture to get a picture?
          We can even make it in black and white for you like the Platonic dialectical. Read Republica, it describes your future until synthesis occurs. Black and white thinking arrgh!
          It goes thesis antithesis and synthesis. Hello?
          Have you been to skool yet?
          And the mere idea of ‘fucking my mother’ is violent and disgusting.
          You did very very well, and I am very unimpressed lol.

          • fred

            Oh while I’m at it, ‘fucking mother’s’ is incestually nauseating.
            So now you insult mothers women races, and ‘crazy’ people in 5 big long words that do nothing to help yourself.
            I care about the earth and it’s peoples not you in particular because I don’t think I would like you anyway neither would half the earth.
            It’s not a human race, there is no race to do anything. It’s a stupid name, we are all just human, and we all make children.
            Is that hard?
            We need to be brave enough to say that to ourselves and other nations. You can’create peace with war it’s oxymoronic like you I’m afraid. Why don’t you try synthesising yourself it actually actualises.

          • RSpung

            synthesis? you are completely gone. and btw, I am a chemical engineer. probably more educated than you.
            if you don’t think you’re crazy, try re-reading some of the crap you wrote. you are talking about peoples’ unusually white teeth? wtf?

          • fred

            Ya reckon?

          • fred

            I can’t help you with a metaphor, so don’t. You are probably very sensate too.

          • fred

            Have you never noticed all those veneered teeth? Filled lips and strange faces like Zombie clones?

    • Robert R

      The poster that did that came in to the site in the middle of the night and then removed his ID. He wa a Justice for Trayvon person who wanted to remind people of the reality of the situation.

      You have the far right with their gun rights agenda on one side and Civil rights leaders who want to be be relevant Both are latching onto this trial, trying to make it fit their agendas. In the middle are people who are on neither extreme. Am I mistaken?

      • Leanne

        What photo is fred talking about?

        • Robert R

          The photo of Trayvon’s dead body on this page, Leanne.

          • Mnavratilova

            It looks like Warren Hill has till September now.

          • Robert R

            I though as much. So I don’t know why Civil Rights people are quiet on this. I don’t know how many legal tricks are left up the sleeve of Warren’s defenders.

          • Mnavratilova

            It looks like the Supreme Court has him in their docket so they should be considering the retardation issue if I understand correctly. Georgia’s pentobarbital expires August 8th, so they’ll be cooking something at a meth lab just about now. This man-child has been close (within hours) to death four times in a year, that sounds like torture to me. Silence from the black leaders.

          • Robert R

            I don’t see how that is not cruel and unusual punishment. Get ready to die, sorry, false alarm. That aspect alone. There’s a good Clint Eastwood movie about that very last minute phone on the wall in the execution chamber.

          • Mnavratilova

            There have been people who have spoken about being blindfolded and led out the back to be shot, just to find out it was a mock execution. Naturally they describe this as psychological torture. The other thing is that all these guys have already served decades in a stainless steel cubicle. I’m sorry but this is one issue where I cannot even conceive a compromise solution, the death penalty has to go. Do you remember that comment about the dysfunctional California death penalty? Here’s the whole law review:
            http://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=llr

          • Robert R

            “By failing to provide the funds necessary to appoint competent
            counsel to represent capital prisoners in their automatic appeals and
            state habeas corpus proceedings, the state has ensured that, on
            average, death row inmates are warehoused in the costly condemned
            inmate facility at San Quentin for as many as 10 years before the
            California Supreme Court reviews their convictions and sentences on
            direct appeal. For the first four or five years of that period, condemned inmates simply sit awaiting the appointment of counsel.”

            Wow, that aspect I was unaware of.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes but they’re working on that, have you read the part where they are building a new facility, for another billion, which should be filled up by 2014.

          • Mnavratilova

            Self-proclaimed white supremacist Billy Joe Johnson, after being convicted of killing a fellow gang member for divulging gang secrets, told his defense attorney to try to get him sentenced to death, because, as his attorney explained, “living conditions at San Quentin prison’s death row will be better than if he serves a life term at Pelican Bay State Prison.”

          • Robert R

            Hell yeah. Pelican Bay is crazy. If you want any chance of meeting or talking to an actual person, or hearing a natural sound, stick with San Quentin.

          • Mnavratilova

            I wonder why they’re on a hunger strike?
            “Prison guards are trying to break a hunger strike involving thousands of prisoners in California by blasting cells with cold air, confiscating legal documents and, in one case, banning lawyers, according to legal representatives and relatives.
            An estimated 30,000 inmates in 33 jails launched the hunger strike on 8 June, the biggest in the state’s history, to protest against solitary confinement and other conditions they said amounted to torture.”
            Can you imagine telling your lawyer, yeah get me death?
            What’s wrong with this picture?

          • Robert R

            If a spotlight is thrown on this problem, then that would be a good thing. California is a strange state, isn’t it? A progressive blue state yet they have this problem and DOMA and a slew of other oddities.

            Blasting cells with cold air? That will solve the peoblem.

          • Mnavratilova

            California is strange, it’s as if Liberal Hollywood’s not even located there, like it’s a rumor.
            Yes in California they’re trying to kill them by hypothermia and Arizona’s preferred method is heat. I never thought about all this as a prison industry or lobby until Jason pointed this out. This occupation sure attracts some real humanitarians.

          • Robert R

            That’s been well-known for decades. There are a LOT of jobs in the whole system. When private companies started running prisons, it got much worse. Someone should run a news station that just broadcasts all these sories until they shame America into evolving.

          • Robert R

            I knew a professor from Rutgers, an expert in the field. Sometime in the 60s and 70s, rehabilitation went out the window.

          • Mnavratilova

            Well that’s comforting considering 25% of world prison population resides in the US. I guess replacing rehabilitation with torture makes perfect sense, if you don’t want to lower that number.
            Did he have a theory as to why it went out the window?

          • Robert R

            Ironically, I would say because of overcrowding and the breakdown of the nuclear family.

          • Mnavratilova

            Nuclear family? How so?

          • Robert R

            If delinquency and crime could be an aberration instead of widespread, then rehabilitation makes sense. We as a nation do not invest in the future generations beyond public schools. That investment, we collectivelt figure, should come from families. So why invest in wayward souls?

          • Mnavratilova

            Ok, thank you for clarifying, that’s awful
            It’s much better to invest in say private contractors in Iraq

          • Robert R

            Now we have a social experiment with Rachel Jeantel. If she succeeds, we may have a great example of why we should reform the prison system and put the savings into resourcing our at risk youth, But, sadly, I would not bet on her graduating college in the next decade. But, she may surprise us.

          • Mnavratilova

            I hope she does.
            That experiment has been done, we know the outcome. There is just no will, priorities are all screwed up.

          • Robert R

            The idea is we would then have less crime, less wasted resources, and more taxpayers. It’s a wise investment, but, yes, we don’t have faith or the determination to invest in each other.

  • 1hiphophiphop

    So we are supposed to just go with this but a man who couldn’t fight got off after killing a kid…. Trayvon is dead now, he can’t answer for this shit. I thought Syrup made shit slower but I don’t drink it so I dunno

    • RSpung

      he wasn’t drinking it that night duh.

  • Derp

    This article is filled with inaccuracy. Lean is considered to be codeine/promethazine syrup, rather than dextromethorphan (“real” rappers don’t drink DXM). Neither substance directly results in aggressive behavior, but DXM is much more likely to slow and restrict movement and is in no way comparable to the stories of PCP overdose you see in the news. Regardless, this information is completely irrelevant to the actions of both individuals involved that night.

    • RSpung

      no, it is accurate. dxm is a substitute for people who can’t get the real thing.

      • Derp

        It may be a substitute, but the article doesn’t make the distinction.

  • Mary Keefe

    yeah it looked like he was going to manufacture a batch with one can of tea….batch for one. too bad his blood work or UA came back POS for Marijuana only… good try though

    • RSpung

      they didn’t test for codeine duh. educate yourself.

      • Robert R

        IF Trayvon was fixin to be fixin a fix of Purple Drank, one 23 Fl. ounce can and a bag of Skittles is enough for many Purple Drank drinks. What the H? I feel like Dr. Suess now.

        At autopsy, you test for certain things unless you have certain suspiscions and do more tests. The alcohol is minimal and the other ingrediants are not things you generally test for.

        • RSpung

          I don’t know if he was going to do it that night, but he had a habit of doing it in the past which shows he wasn’t the sweet little innocent choir boy everyone made him out to be. there is bullshit circulating that he had a 3.7 gpa and had already been accepted to college and he did 700 community hours a year. that’s the kind of crap his defenders believe. it’s all lies.

          • Robert R

            Charles Barkley trusts the verdict and thinks racists on all sides are using the case to further their agendas. The difference is he said he watched the whole trial carefully.

          • RSpung

            I agree.

      • Mary Keefe

        you need to educate yourself MF, they ran blood work, DA, test for everything, no signs of codeine idiot, just traces of MJ. sound to me like you need a UA. Just wait until the feds go after him, and his loving daddy, who gets him outta everything……bunch of losers…..

        • RSpung

          they didn’t test for everything. and the fbi investigated Zimmerman and cleared him last year. the only losers are the people who continue to support trayvon the thug after a jury found that his killing was justified.
          this thing is over. no civil rights or hate crime charges are coming. deal with it.

          • Mary Keefe

            honestly I could care less, either way a kid is dead, another tard is walking amonsgt us. nothing new..I don’t think it was a race thing, thats what you said. i think it’s a daddy get me outta my trouble again, because now i’ve killed someone, and daddy judge to the rescue, so now he can add murder, to his other problems throughout his life, DUIs, Dv, assault on a cop, molestation charges, damn his dad is good. you can believe this is not the end of GZ. we’ll read about him again, but next time, he won’t be so lucky. There are going to be 2 endings, and they are both gonna suck. good luck RSung, keep believing the hype.. hahahah cyas :)

          • RSpung

            you are a lunatic. there is no evidence that gz ever did anything this time or the previous times you mentioned. he had a long line of character witnesses that testified in his favor and said he was a great person.
            you are living in a fantasy world. it’s funny how people who hate gz always turn out to be ignorant weirdos who don’t know any of the facts and constantly make up conspiracy theories.

          • Mary Keefe

            wow, you must love this guy huh..lemme get outta your way. I think you need a habit, like maybe getting a job or something, really seeing the world…Too funny, you just jump right in there supporting your lil brother…the great pretender.haha..get a damn job, you sound like like one of those shut ins, that has nothing better to do………….have fun weirdo. You should have been a laywer in your past life..hahaha
            Freak. goodbye

          • Mary Keefe

            RSpung • 19 hours ago

            bullshit. I’ve had it before and I have shitloads of black friends that drink it all the time. the candy varies and the soda/juice varies but the recipe is always the same.

            This right here is your problemRSung, your drinking way too much PURPLE DRANK, as you claim above, whos the crazy one now, maybe the cops will pull your ass over, and lock you up, sounds like you need detox anyways.hahahahaha. He who drinks purple drink, your a god damn clown

          • RSpung

            hey moron, I said i HAD it BEFORE. past tense.
            have fun working in a prison the rest of your life, you crazy fuck.

          • Mary Keefe

            Have a drink on me, oh wait you’re already drinking…And I will because of idiots like you, I will always have job security. HAHAHAHA

          • Mary Keefe

            Awww you sound so upset. You may need some therapy for that. Have a sip of that purple drank, you’ll be alright…Breathe in and breathe out. I know being a chemical engineer can be a trying, mentally stressful job. Please be careful while dumping those porta potties, those chemicals are nothing nice..hahahaha

  • Terry Thomas

    this has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever read before. this article is full of false information about “lean” if you know nothing about it. don’t make yourself look like a fool.

    • RSpung

      bullshit. I’ve had it before and I have shitloads of black friends that drink it all the time. the candy varies and the soda/juice varies but the recipe is always the same.

      • Terry Thomas

        Idk where you from but in the south real lean is liquid hydrokodeine or promethaziene. mixed with some kind of fanta drink or punch and jollly ranchers. not Arizona tea and skittles. get tf outta here. people looking for anything negative about this kid. fact is Zimmerman shouldn’t have killed him.

        • Robert R

          And Trayvon shouldn’t have punched George in the face. Trayvon shouldn’t have gone back in George’s direction for the second time that night. Trayvon Martin shouldn’t have assaulted George further in a minimum of six injuries and caused his head to impact concrete. Trayvon should have had at least one injury. Trayvon should have run away after punching George or again when George screamed for help or again when neighbors began to respond.

          All facts in evidence. You can say that Trayvon was screaming for help and George had his gun out during the wrestling. But the gun was not wet or scratched and then you have to answer why George didn’t lawyer up or fire more quickly.

  • Sonshine

    Haven’t we had enough of this? The Jury has spoken! We have enough idiots in this country to feed the fire of racism. Just let this thing go people or we will all be sorry for letting it kill more people.

  • mychelle

    http://www.nelsnook.com/2013/02/mixed-drinks-with-skittle-vodka.html

    If you google “skittles” and “drank” lots of websites come up including the one above. Maybe we should also consider the fact that TM was going home to make Skittles vodka and mix it with Cointreau.

  • kel tec

    Everyone profiles.. I used to run a bar and grill and on Fridays we had biker night.. We would get anywhere from 50-100 bikers. When they would walk into the bar everyone sitting at their table would get a little nervous because all these black leather jacket guys and ladies would walk in… But what they didn’t know was many of them owned local businesses and many were doctors, dentists, policemen, firemen and the list goes on… If I go to a 7 Eleven late at night and I see a suspicious looking character(s) I normally keep an eye on them and my hand close to my pistol…..

    • Robert R

      I was working in a hotel many years ago and the fire alarm went off in the middle of the night. There was a convention of firemen going on. Naturally, the firemen were beyond suspiscion becuase they would be the last ones who would do something so irresponsible and potentially dangerous. Enter alcohol.

      • Mnavratilova

        LMAO

        • James Cageby

          But the only thing Robert R can part is Red Bull.

          • Mnavratilova

            Parting Red Bull’s not bad!

    • Mnavratilova

      That is so true. I had a dermatologist and he told me he goes to a Harley meet every year. I asked him how his wife feels about that, he said she’s got her own bike.
      It just goes to show, don’t judge a book by the cover, which in a way is not real consistent with profiling…

  • Mark Golden

    if he was using the ” purple drink” it would have showed up in the toxicology …….but i think the paranoia came from a strange man following him…..just a guess……

    • Robert R

      Trayvon was acting strange and different than normal residents to begin with, which is why George called the police and followed him. Toxicology only tests for certain specific items. Those ingredients are not on the list. I am careful not to walk on anyone’s lawn or property, even in a neighborhood of all the same race as me. Becuase you never know what crazy person will get bent out of shape or who may be armed.

      I think the article is about the possibility of Trayvon either being on something or being withdrawn from something. I think it is also about the reluctance in the media to discuss anything negative about Trayvon. Any high school student who spends 1.5 hours and walks 1.8 miles for a single beverage and bag of candy may think differently.

      Anyone would be nervous about a stranger following them. Personally, I would not turn and walk back towards them twice in the dark if i was afraid and had a cell phone. Trayvon did.

  • Mary Keefe

    RSung you need some help buddy………….you need a hug or something..lol

  • Robert R

    Texas Senator Ted Cruz said that President Obama’s speech recommending a review of “Stand your Ground” laws was a direct assault on the 2nd Amendment.

    • stephan pililian

      Smear campaign against dead boy is sickening….Geraldo Rivera’s comments about T’s hoodie being responsible for him being killed is sick…White, brown, yellow and black boys experiment with drugs and he was not the only exception….Zimmerman had his own issues and he should have stayed inside of his car instead of playing super vigilante.

      • Robert R

        Geraldo was wrong about that and he apologized publicly, but he is very courageous in making heroic unpopular opinions. His later comments, I agree with. I probably feel worse than you do about Trayvon.

        Facts are not a smear campaign. The danger to minorities and progressives comes from believing in lies. There is significant reasonable doubt which justifies the not guilty verdict.

        All teens experiment with all sorts of things. But you want to believe that an innocent child was stalked and attacked by a super-cop. What are the odds that the innocent child just happens to have been where he was because he was suspended from school early in the semester and was interested in fighting and vandalism, and had a Twitter handle of “No limit Nigga”, and was caught with stolen jewelry and drug paraphanelia in his back-pack?. Add that to the injuries he visited upon to Zimmerman.

        What are the odds Stephan? What are the odds? Zimmerman had lived in his gated community for four years and he has every right to not have to stay in his car. Super Vigilante? Such a lie. A volunteer trying to help his neighborhood keep crime out. The most he wanted to do was keep an eye on Trayvon to see where he went. There’s no evidence he did otherwise.

        In hindsight, it might have been better judgement to have stayed in the car. But you don’t get 30 years for bad judgement. Trayvon approached Zimmerman twice that night, so how can anyone say he was scared?

        Zimmerman who just last week, at danger to himself, stopped for a rollover accident and lended assistance. He didn’t have to do that. The US justice system has problems but this trial was live for everyone to see. The facts and witnesses and evidence exonerated Zimmerman.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jasonpaulweber Jason Weber

      Cruz would be on my Wall of Shame if I had a political site.

      ~ Jason

  • http://www.metaphorge.com/ metaphorge

    Protip: If you’re gonna insinuate something, at least get the facts straight about the thing you’re insinuating. Would it really have been that hard to, you know, read the Wikipedia article on “purple drank” before you wrote this piece?

    Watching the propaganda warfare over this whole matter has been kind of like watching Adam Sandler fight Yahoo serious in a kiddie pool full of jell-o….

  • ELIZABETH

    I THINK PPL NEED TO GET A GRIP… ITS BAD THAT HE GOT KILLED YA .. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PPL OR KIDS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED SENCE.. AND NO ONE EVER HEARS ABOUT THAT DO THEY… I PERSONALY THINK IT TIME TO LAY THE CHILDS NAME AT REST… SORRY IF THIS UPSET PPL BUT REALLY THINK ABOUT IT..

  • Melissa Katsmom Votano

    Good to know.

  • guynoir

    I believe the autopsy report showed liver damage from DXM and he had DXM in his system.

  • Donald Cole

    Not to mention that the beginning of the article clearly states that he was not found to have any intoxicants in his system other than a small amount of marijuana. Kinda takes the wind out of the sail of this stupid theory.

  • golden

    First of all ice tea and skittles won’t make purple drank, people are trying to connect dots that aren’t there. Secondly drank makes you mellow out that’s why the music you listen to while you sipping is chopped and screwed. And third George didn’t know Trayvon prior to him profiling and killing the kid so why does it matters what Trayvon did days or weeks before his death. Let’s be honest George made a bad judgment call and it resulted in the death of a teen. We’ve all made mistakes in our lives no one is perfect and that doesn’t give someone else the right to profile and kill you and have your character put on trail. George had skeletons in his closet as well that never made it to trial. All you people trying to blame Trayvon are cowards and need to get a life.

  • James Cageby

    Rachel Jeantel said to Dr. Lamont Hill that Martin threw the fist punch (10:09 into video) and that Juan Atahualpa Moyachunga, aka George Zimmerman, should have taken the “ass-whoopin’.”

    http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/rachel-jeantel-trayvon-martin/51e5784b2b8c2a08d90000f5

    • Robert R

      Rachel Jeantel came across to me as a credible witness who also highlighted just how young Trayvon actually was. But she mentioned that also in her second Piers Morgan interview that SOP for confronting an adversary was to “blood him” and then “whoop asssss”. So when exactly was Trayvon planning on stopping?

      Wasn’t it three weeks later she was first contacted? And who would remember what exactly was said in a casual conversation three weeks before? If she had really memorable important information about that night, why didn’t she come forward with it sooner? Maybe she was avoiding the whole thing because she had information she did not want to reveal.

      • James Cageby

        Could it be that RJ said over the phone to Martin that he ought to sucker punch Juan Atahualpa Moyachunga? Perhaps that is why she didn’t go to the funeral because she felt responsible for Martin’s death.
        Martin was one year shy of the voting age. His family thought it appropriate to put out pictures of him at 12 years-old on a pony. It was quite effective for O’Mara to have the two cutout figures in the courtroom to indicate the size difference between the two.

        • Robert R

          Revisionist history writers can’t explain how Zimmerman made a statement that same night stating he never turned at the “T” and went down the doggy walk between the two rows of buildings. This was before he knew who might have seen him or heard something or taken a photo or video.
          Trayvon was last seen by Zimmerman running between the rows of buildings. There were four minutes of time after Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon and before the commotion. The witnesses said the commotion started at the T and the keys and little flashlight were found at the T.

          So. I don’t know how revisionist history posters have reached the conclusion that Zimmerman chased and confronted Trayvon Martin. I suppose that Custer won the battle of Little Bighorn too.

          • James Cageby

            These revisionists are more commonly known as race hustlers. They can be seen daily/nightly on MSNBC/CNN/ HLN. They are great at straw man arguments such as Martin had a right not to go to his father’s fiancée’s home during those 4 minutes when he was only 20 seconds from the house. Amazing that this innocent frightened spindly child had the compunction to wait around until Moyachunga finally crossed his path. Imagine if Martin had a wrist rocket. Those Skittles would be deadly weapons along with the concrete he used to pummel Moyachunga’s head.

          • Robert R

            It’s just too good a story not to be true. Too bad it’s not true. Jurors have to go with the facts, witnessses and the evidence in a trial and not just make the decision that seems right to a juror. And trying to make this a race thing is just going backwards.

          • Mnavratilova

            Have you guys seen B29? Not very confidence inspiring imo.

          • Robert R

            She ain’t too bright. She was the only one who thought Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder. Not very logical and she admitted that the verdict followed the law. I knew by the sound of her voice when the prosecution polled the jury.

            You can’t just pick A, B, or C. It’s not a game show.

          • Mnavratilova

            She admitted the verdict followed the law but I have serious doubt she understood the law or even the jury instructions. She uses the words killing and murder interchangeably as if there were no difference. She said he got away with murder and the evidence showed it but the state couldn’t prove it???, She also didn’t understand manslaughter, she said for it to be manslaughter Zimmerman had to leave the house knowing he was going to kill Trayvon Martin?? She also said she fought till the end, if that were true she would have hung the jury. She’s basically having buyer’s remorse because she saw what’s happening out there. The main takeaway for me from that is the importance of sequestering the jury.

          • Robert R

            All it takes for manslaughter is that Trayvon was killed and that Zimmerman intentionally shot him. Except you have to consider Zimmerman’s state of mind, his efforts to not have to resort to using the gun, his injuries, the rain and the dark of night, and the unknown. If Zimmerman did not have a gun, when was Trayvon going to stop? Maybe he would not have to go to the hospital, maybe he would have been in intensive care, and maybe he would have died. That maybe is an easy clinical decision, but not if you are the one on your back getting pummeled in the dark of night and the heat of the moment.

            45 + seconds of screaming for help answers all that if it was Zimmerman screaming. If it was Trayvon, you would have to explain how Zimmerman could hold him down while being under him with the injuries he had for that length of time. I wanted to find for Trayvon too, but it is evident that it is not there. Also, self-defense law is as old as the hills. It is not unique to Florida or unique to America.

            Now Tracy reported to the Congressional Black Caucus that he molded Trayvon. I honestly hope he meant that he had PLANNED on molding him, when Trayvon was suspended from school for the second time, since Tracy then had the time and opportunity to get working on that.

            Teens all experiment, try on different attitudes and lifestyles, and make mistakes. Teens think they are invincible and can be excessive and impulsive. How different is this from a teen who died showing off, or drunk driving, or committing a crime or overdosing on a substance or committing suicide?

            Progress comes from facing reality, not from trying to redefine it.

            “One of the greatest gifts a man can receive from a woman would be a son […] to have your son’s life taken away from you when you’ve molded him to become an upstanding citizen of this country […] that’s something that you can never get over,” Martin said in his opening statement.
            Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/trayvon-martins-father-tracy-martin-on-capitol-hill-good-can-come-from-death-100812/#jLXibgzY6LkGPELI.99

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m just saying I have no confidence in these two jurors, like a number of the Arias jurors we heard. I’m not making a statement about this verdict just how and why it was reached. B29 said he got away with murder so you can be sure she didn’t go through the same thought process you just did.

  • Robert R

    Can we talk about Anthony Weiner for a second?
    MSNBC reports Weiner will be cut off by the Democratic party. HLN reports that Weiner is bending too far to the right. CNN reports that a win for Weiner is “in the bag”. ABC reports that Weiner is “too soft on crime”. The Daily News reports that Weiner is “getting too big for his britches”.

    • Mnavratilova

      LMAO!

  • Robert R

    There is a questionnaire on dlas.org that has a good summary of the Zimmerman case. People who think Zimmerman is guilty of Murder 2 or manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt should read the questionnaire and then please give your response.

  • Alencon

    Time out guys. The main ingredient for Purple Drank is prescription cough syrup containing promethazine and codeine which is exactly what Martin is looking for in his posts.
    Codeine is the active ingredient and the syrup is usually mixed with a non-flavored soft drink like Sprite and a hard candy such as Jolly Ranchers which gives it flavor to cover the cough syrup which is pretty vile. To imply that picture shows the ingredients for Purple Drank is flat out dishonest. At most it shows a kiddy version.
    Now, that doesn’t mean there wasn’t some sort of street formula out there claiming such a mix would provide a high. But the codeine is the active ingredient in Purple Drank and there is no codeine in those ingredients. So, I don’t see how it could be more effective than the alcohol content of the Robitussin other than as a sort of street placebo. In any event, he certainly didn’t have the time to mix anything and no cough syrup, codeine based or otherwise, was found.
    Are you really shocked that a 17-year-old was into, or trying to get into, the current thing? As for the side effects of Purple Drank (which Martin wasn’t making without codeine), I’ve never seen “paranoia and agitation” listed as effects. Rather the opposite so I’d have to see a reputable medical source for that claim.
    But ultimately, it doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is what happened that night and we’ll never know the whole story. What we do know, or don’t know, is (1) Zimmermann was told to stay in his car and he didn’t. He continued to follow Martin. (2) We don’t know how the physical confrontation started. Everyone talks about Zimmermann’s right to self-defense but Martin had the same right and Zimmermann was the man with the gun. (3) Martin had no knife or other weapon. He wasn’t much of a “thug,” as I’ve heard him called, if he wasn’t even carrying a knife. (4) Zimmermann knew the police were on the way because he had spoken to the 9/11 operator yet somehow he still felt he had no choice other than to put a 9 mm slug into Martin’s heart.
    The jury said not guilty and we should accept that. Only Zimmermann knows the true story and he’ll have to live with it.

    • Robert R

      Zimmerman was never told to stay in his car. Zimmerman was asked what direction Trayvon went, so he left his car to find out. Walking up towards Trayvon by the T, he was told by the non-emergency 911 dispatcher hat he didn’t need to follow Trayvon. He said OK, and there are no facts or evidence to dispute that he complied with that request. Both have a right to self-defense, but we saw in the trial that the police use of force expert witness did state that escalating from talk or argument to a physical attack is not an acceptable use of force for someone who is trying to defend themselves.

      • Alencon

        I stand corrected. Allow me to adjust my four points.

        (1) Zimmermann left his car and followed Martin. When asked by the dispatcher if he was following, he was told he didn’t need to do that. (2) We don’t know how the physical confrontation started. Everyone talks about Zimmermann’s right to self-defense but Martin had the same right and Zimmermann was the man with the gun. (3) Martin had no knife or other weapon. He wasn’t much of a “thug,” as I’ve heard him called, if he wasn’t even carrying a knife. (4) Zimmermann knew the police were on the way because he had spoken to the 9/11 operator yet somehow he still felt he had no choice other than to put a 9 mm slug into Martin’s heart.

        As for the escalation into a physical confrontation being self-defense, it depends upon who initiated the physical confrontation (see point #2 above) and what happened before that. Martin had no weapon and Zimmermann had an attitude of “This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something” and “these assholes, they always get away” which are direct quotes from the 911 tape.

        It’s still not clear to me that the use of deadly force was necessary or appropriate. On the other hand, I wasn’t there so who knows? Overall it strikes me as a story of bad choices on both sides.

        • Robert R

          I also think that “thug” is an unfair characterization of Trayvon Martin. Teens in high school do experiment, they do try on different personas, and they do make mistakes. I don’t think anyone thinks these things should be fatal. They are part of growing up.

          I think questions should be asked whenever an armed person kills an unarmed person and calls it self-defense. The “stand your ground law” means no questions need to be asked. The gun nuts are on one side and would try to protect Zimmerman no matter what the circumstances were. The civil rights leaders want this story to be a keystone for civil rights, even though The Michael Dunn case is a much better case to make their point.

          Everyone wishes Zimmerman fired into the air, shot Trayvon in the leg, or waited until more neighbors came outside, but sadly it didn’t happen that way. The fact that there are over one million concealed carriers in Florida alone should be a sobering thought.
          It is a story of bad choices on both sides. I agree with you.

          So, hopefully laws will be reviewed, the justice system will be improved and maybe Trayvon Martin will save some lives by making everybody think twice and try to work out a situation before it escalates it into a fatal action.

  • Isis

    So being followed by some stranger in the dark (while its raining) wouldn’t make you a little paranoid?????? It has to just be the tea that made this kid paranoid???? What about the drugs GZ was on hmmmmm?

  • Dee

    I don’t see Trayvon’s actions as being paranoid or aggressive, I see Mr. Martin’s actions as being paranoid and aggressive. There were no drugs in the boy’s system. If it was dark and to be honest if I was being followed by some weird guy I would be a little paranoid as well.

    The actions seem aggressive to you because you are unable to empathize with what it must have been like for Trayvon that night. Because you can’t identify with him you assume that there must have been no merit to his fears (why on earth would a young black man doing nothing wrong be scared by a white man following him in the dark for no apparent reason? How paranoid). Because of course NO white man would feel nervous if they were being followed by a black man at night… right?

    The truth is had Trayvon been following Zimmerman, nobody would assume that Zimmerman was being paranoid, they would have assumed that it was logical for him to be afraid for his life.

    This is just so sad. The boy had no drugs in his system… all he had was iced tea and skittles and now he is dead.

    • Robert R

      Dee, I think a reasonable person waited until the trial to see what the facts of the case were. A reasonable person also puts themselves in the shoes of both parties to see what that person must have felt. I think it is important to note that Trayvon walked past Zimmerman’s car and proceeded towards the T at the entrance to the two rows of buildings. He then turned around, while Zimmerman was on the phone with the non-emergency 911 operator and walked back towards Zimmerman.

      After Zimmerman left his car and approached the T, he was told that he didn’t need to follow him. Zimmerman complied. He lost sight of Trayvon and 4 minutes elapsed. There is no evidence and no witnesses who dispute Zimmerman’s statement given that same night that Zimmerman did not go in between the rows of buildings. He went straight up the sidewalk towards the road and back down the same sidewalk towards his car waiting for the police to arrive. Trayvon had plenty of opportunity to go home, or to hide, or to call someone local to ask for help, or to walk somewhere away from Zimmerman.

      The essential point is that Trayvon turned around a second time and approached Zimmerman, not to argue or talk to him, but to attack him. He didn’t just punch him in the face and run, he continue to hit him again and again. He didn’t stop even when Zimmerman was on his back, even when he was screaming for help, or even when a neighbor told them to stop. So just how scared do you think he was, to casually report to Rachel that he was being followed and to stay in the area and continue his phone conversation and to approach Zimmerman? It is Rachel who testified that Trayvon saw Zimmerman again, said “Oh shit!” and then approached Zimmerman.

      Whether Trayvon was on something or not isn’t really relevant. But autopsies only test for certain common substances. They don’t test for the ingredients in Purple Drank. Even so, Trayvon’s liver was found to have unusually high concentration, even damage from this ingredient. Zimmerman thought Trayvon’s behavior was suspicious and that he looked like he was on something. We now know from Trayvon’s recent past that he was often was doing things he shouldn’t be doing and he was often on something. That’s why he was suspended from school in Miami for vandalism and why he was caught with jewelry stolen from a nearby home and drug paraphernalia in his backpack. Too bad he went too far and decided to attack an adult who just happened to be a concealed carrier before he could have straightened out his life.

      This incident has brought up many subjects which are worthy of discussion and debate. So some people choose to believe that Trayvon approached Zimmerman twice in the dark when he was scared for his life? Civil rights needs to have a basis in truth and a single standard of reason and justice for all people. The truth is that Trayvon was a juvenile delinquent who was tragically killed when he decided to viscously attack a neighbor who was trying to protect his racially diverse neighbors and who merely wanted the police to ask him a few questions. It is tragic and sad, but it is not about race.

  • Marianne_C

    The autopsy report is posted online. Residual traces of marijuana were found in the dead boy’s system, but no other drugs. The main ingredient is prescription-strength cough syrup containing codeine and promethazine. This is mixed with soft drinks like Sprite or Mountain Dew and Jolly Rancher candy — not with iced tea and Skittles. To even raise the issue of purple drank is pure speculation; you could throw the same accusation with equal accuracy at anyone in any situation in which said person were in possession of both a soft drink and Jolly Rancher candy. But Trayvon Martin had the wrong ingredients to begin with, and didn’t have the active ingredient — the prescription strength cough syrup — at all.

    Why is it so difficult to believe that the kid was scared and “paranoid” because he was being stalked by a weirdo with crazy eyes and a gun? And why is the myth that this skinny beanpole of a kid — who weighed less than 150 pounds –”beat up” Zimmerman — who outweighed him by almost 50 pounds — still being perpetuated when both the autopsy and the funeral director’s exam showed no signs of injury to the boy’s hands, knuckles, or fingers? He had neither Zimmerman’s blood nor tissue on his hands or under his nails. There were no signs of a physical confrontation on his body other than the bullet in his chest. Like the “purple drank” theory, Zimmerman’s story fails to match the actual evidence.

  • Kenzie

    Just because he was getting skittles and arizona iced tea does not mean he is fixing to make purple drank. He was found with THC in his system, he could have had the munchies and cotton mouth. Also, he was not found with any purple drank in his system, only THC, just because someone says that they do it on facebook does not mean they actually do it. I’ve said I have taken X before on facebook, never have actually tried that. It was so I looked cool, and for teens that’s all that really matters to them. He probably learned about purple drank through hip hop which he listens too. As for the paranoia? I’m sorry wouldn’t you be paranoid if you were walking through the dark, all alone and you saw someone eyeing you and then actually following you for a while? I know I’ve been for the exact same reason. Even if he did take purple drank, did he take just that day? If so then how come they didn’t find anything funny? If he had taken it a week ago, do you still think he’d be feeling the same high it gives you? And would it still be found in his system after a day? You can find pot in someones system about a week after they smoked it, if you check hair samples, you can tell they smoked pot months ago, but the high from pot only lasts for a few hours. There just seems to be a lot of people trying to make connections when there isn’t a connection between the two.

    • Robert R

      You are right about a lot of what you said. Purple drank can be made with Robitussin, any drink, and any candy. Skittles makes a colorful drank. Maybe Jolly Ranchers weren’t available. Maybe Trayvon just walked almost two miles and two hours for a bag of candy for his brother and a can of ice tea.

      The facts in the article show that many months before, Trayvon was seriously trying to get some DXM to make some “lean”. His liver showed liver damage (at age 17! ) from a substance consistent with dextromethorphan (DXM) abuse. Lean has been shown to cause psychosis and aggression from long term use. So it is not that he may have been on this substance so much as he may have been withdrawn from this substance.

      Even if he had no effects from this substance, the facts of the case indicate that Trayvon twice turned around and approached Zimmerman. One time when Zimmerman was in his car and on the phone with the dispatcher, and a second time when Trayvon turned around from where he was between the two rows of buildings, and went in the opposisite direction form his father’s home back to the entrance to the two rows of buildings (the “T”) to confront Zimmerman.

      Even if they were looking for each other and met by accident, the expert witness on the use of force stated that assault and battery is an unjustified escalation of force to anything Zimmerman did.

      So, if Trayvon was afraid, as we all would be, that Zimmerman was following him first in his car and then on foot, a scared person would not turn around and approach their stalker twice in the dark and assault them when the stalked person had 4 minutes to go home, hide, or simply walk away.

  • Johnathan Flyyn Walter

    We all know the doped up piece of shit got what he deserved.
    Justice was served.

  • saltwn

    DON’T TAKE THIS AND RUN WITH IT, PEOPLE. THE AUTOPSY DID NOT SHOW IT. THE SINISTER COMMENT ABOUT THEM NOT TESTING FOR IT IS MEAN TO INFLAME

  • tlc kijiji

    It says right in this article that this concoction is used to relax, yet the writer tries to use this as evidence that it’s makes people feel agitated and violent. So now, without any evidence that Martin was on the drink, an alleged facebook conversation of him NOT being able to acquire the psychoactive ingredients, is evidence that he was high on it? And that this relaxing concoction made him want to murder one of his dads neighbors? I think you should spend more time investigating the two drugs that George Zimmerman had in his body that night. He told an EMT he was taking an amphetamine and a tranquilizer and that he was under the influence of both. He was also alone because his wife was hiding out at her dad’s place after they fought.

  • Barbara Allen

    Blaming the victim! Why don`t you post a list of the DRUGS George was on? Librax, Adderal and Mirtazapam. He was not tested for alcohol or drugs. Only DNA. He was seeing a shrink at the time of the shooting for depression and anxiety. This combination can cause hallucinations and paranoia. He also had a fight with his wife and she had walked out on him and went to her Dad`s house. So you can also add anger to that volatile mix. The guy is a killer and a liar. He and his cohorts will be brought to justice. One way or another.

  • Bethany Heinesh

    Jason,

    Thanks for this article. I am glad the issue of Syrup addiction is being addressed in the mainstream media… in particular, how it relates to the issue of race. You might be interested in a research study conducted on the subject…. one unlike anything else of its kind…. the study shows that Syrup is becoming intensely popular among a number of different ethnic groups in America.

    John Stogner, Ph.D., Assistant Professor with the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of North
    Carolina, composed an article on the subject of Purple Drank, published in the Addictive Behaviors
    Journal this year. Stogner’s unprecedented findings will likely lead to further study of Purple Drank and its effects on the individual and society.

    ( Here is an article summarizing Stogner’s findings: http://www.dugdug.com/new-study-on-cough-syrup-abuse.)

    Until this kind of information reaches a larger audience, we won’t be able to educate the public about the reality of Syrup and that it isn’t a “black thing,” but a “let’s get loaded on cough meds and act like a gangster thing.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/jasonpaulweber Jason Weber

      Absolutely, Bethany — our youth … they’re finding all kinds of ways to get high that I have never even fathomed. I read recently that some teens hold their breath until they faint, and when they snap out of it, they’re high or something. Purple Drank started as a southern hip-hop thing. I don’t want this to be a racial issue, but an informative, factual issue.

      ~ Jason