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Partying With the Prosecution: Why HLN Let Beth Karas Go

Beth Karas and Jeff Ashton

Beth Karas and Casey Anthony Corrupt Prosecutor Jeff Ashton were good pals – Click to enlarge

Beth Karas was terminated from HLN on June 5th, 2013.  This was rumored to have been happening since way back in March, so most were not caught off guard with this.  Beth was a prosecutor in New York City for 8 years prior to ditching her prosecutorial dreams for a career on television.  She joined Court TV in 1994 and has been pounding the airwaves since.  So why was she let go so abruptly?

It’s not a coincidence that Beth Karas was let go just after the Jodi Arias trial –  a trial in which HLN profited enormously.  In CNN’s own words:

Before you lob cries of a sensationalist media profiting off a gruesome death, realize that people are clamoring for the coverage. HLN has enjoyed a ratings boost since the trial began, and people drive hours to see the trial for themselves.

If CNN thinks they’re going to shut Occupy up, they’re quite mistaken.  This isn’t about a “gruesome death”, CNN — there are many “gruesome deaths” every day.  The more attractive a young female is, the more of a “race case” it is, they realize that their ratings will soar, and CNN knows this.  General Manager Scot Safon is a prudent businessman.

The Misguided Perception of Beth Karas
But Occupy is also prudent, and noticed some strange behaviors by Beth Karas during the Jodi Arias trial.  Known as one of the more “moderate” voice on HLN — per HLN’s standards — Beth was ostensibly pleasant and not too biased; just a little biased, but that’s okay, right?  Anyway, Occupy has long disagreed with this assertion of Beth’s character.  It’s always been Occupy’s opinion that Beth Karas was a prosecution hawk who posed as a moderate.

Beth Karas Partying with Prosecution Witnesses

Beth Karas Partying with Prosecution Witnesses DURING TRIAL – Click to enlarge

We all know that HLN is a prosecutor’s best friend.  If a prosecutor can lobby HLN to cover their case, they’ll achieve fame and stardom.  Defense attorneys?  Not so much.  As we know, during the Casey Anthony trial, Beth Karas became close friends with Jeff Ashton.  But Beth did not become close friends with Jose Baez.  Defense attorneys know that if their case is covered by HLN, they’re at a huge disadvantage.

But did Beth Karas take this bias TOO far in the Jodi Arias trial?  Well, we know Beth Karas was caught partying with prosecution witnesses Chris Hughes, Sky Hughes, Dan Freeman (and his sister, Desiree Freeman), and Deanna Reid.  While this is egregious in and of itself, it’s even more atrocious, Beth was partying with these prosecution witnesses during the Jodi Arias trial!

The Journalistic Code of Ethics
Unlike most countries, the United States does not have a standard, universal code of ethics that “journalists” must follow.  That’s why you have a National Enquirer or an HLN — tabloid propaganda sells, and there’s nothing to govern it.  Almost every media outlet has their own code of ethics to follow.  Nevertheless, the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) is the most widely-recognized code of ethics used as a guideline for most media outlets.  HLN is guilty of just about every SPJ ethical code, but among the SPJ ethical codes Occupy feels that Beth Karas is in direct violation of are:

  • Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
  • Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
  • Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
  • Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
  • Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.
Beth Karas Partying with More Prosecution Witnesses. How many showed up that evening? This is DURING TRIAL!

Beth Karas Partying with More Prosecution Witnesses. How many showed up that evening? This is DURING TRIAL! – Click to enlarge

It’s preposterous to think that Beth Karas didn’t have a conflict of interest and it’s ridiculous to think Beth Karas wasn’t in violation of the SPJ code of ethics.  All Americans who support due process should be outraged by this!  How can you go on air, where HLN has a monopoly over the high crimes “market”, and pretend to be some impartial journalist covering a trial of enormous proportions like the Jodi Arias trial, but yet party with the prosecution witnesses while the cameras are off?

Furthermore, what does this say about the involvement of Beth Karas in the Mormon Media Blitz?  Has Beth Karas converted to Mormonism herself?  Why were Chris Hughes, Abe Abdelhadi, Clancy Talbot, Sky Hughes, and others constantly being interviewed by HLN?

Where was the balance?  Why wasn’t Beth Karas partying with Alyce Laviolette, Dr. Richard Samuels, or Dr. Robert Geffner?  Why wasn’t Beth Karas partying with Darryl Brewer or another Travis Alexander ex-girlfriend, Lisa Daidone?  Is it because Travis cheated on Lisa Daidone?  Why wasn’t she partying with these witnesses?  Why weren’t these witnesses given the same airtime on HLN?

 

Beth Karas and Nancy Grace are in yet another lawsuit -- this time libel.

Beth Karas and Nancy Grace are in yet another lawsuit — this time libel. Click to enlarge

Why Beth Karas Was Let Go
Regardless, we can debate why Beth Karas was let go.  Everything mentioned to this point has been one theory.

Others may presume that Beth Karas was let go because she was “too moderate” for HLN.  HLN is tabloid propaganda — not a news source — and some suggest that Beth Karas was too dedicated to honest journalism (thus admitting that HLN is tabloid propaganda.

Occupy isn’t buying this.  Beth Karas had most likely been buddying up with prosecution witnesses since the beginning of the trial, and perhaps even before the trial, so she could get cheap inside, biased information from one side and report that hogwash on HLN.  So what did Scot Safon and the HLN brass think?  They felt this would look horrible to them, if caught, and they felt this would strongly encourage an appeals court to grant Jodi Arias a new trial! So they had to let Beth go!

So what did HLN do?  They let Beth Karas go.  But too late!  The damage has already been done, and the cozy relationship between HLN, Beth Karas, and the prosecution witnesses in the Jodi Arias case have been long-exposed.

Deanna Reid sharing pics with Beth Karas DURING TRIAL the day after partying with her
Deanna Reid sharing pics with Beth Karas DURING TRIAL the day ater partying with her

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Deanna Reid sharing pics with Beth Karas DURING TRIAL the day after partying with her
Deanna Reid sharing pics with Beth Karas DURING TRIAL the day ater partying with her

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Chris Hughes Tweeted this picture with Beth Karas DURING TRIAL the day after partying with her
Chris Hughes tweeted his pic, partying with Beth Karas on May 23rd, although it was taken May 22nd -- DURING TRIAL

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Conclusion
Some may think I’m too harsh on Beth Karas.  Of course I’m harsh!  Remember, Beth Karas may have been partying with the prosecution as early as March — or sooner.  As a watchdog of HLN, I have no choice BUT to be harsh!  Millions of people are influenced by the hogwash on this channel, and yellow journalism like this MUST be exposed!  Beth Karas even has her own support page!  If HLN was to continue this brainwashing of the American populace without any checks and balances, our judicial system and media lobby would be even more corrupt than it already is!

Scot Safon

Scot Safon – White Collar Criminal? Click to enlarge

HLN has successfully altered the constitution so that the burden of proof has been shifted over to the defense.  According to HLN, you are presumed guilty and must prove your innocence — just like in North Korea and Iran.  They’re trying desperately to alter due process so that the accused to not have the right to put forth a defense.  Anybody who has the gall to even mention the fact that Travis Alexander was abusive is “trashing the victim”.  This nonsensical crap must come to an end

As long as HLN continues to profit, most likely this doesn’t signal the dominoes falling, as Scot Safon and Nancy Grace continue to rake in millions.  But rest-assured, Occupy will expose journalistic malfeasance like the kind Beth Karas has engaged in whenever possible.

As always, leave your thoughts and comment(s) below!

Jason Weber
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  • Robert R

    Beth’s fans are getting a petition together to get her back on HLN. I will not be signing it. That is doing her a disservice. I am happy Beth has finally gotten away from the Jackals.

    Beth Karas is one of the few on HLN with integrity. Her reports are generally
    unbiased, interesting, and full of good legal analysis. Did anyone else notice
    the terrible way Nancy Grace treated her in the past when Beth was a guest on
    her show? She was let go for obvious reasons imo, because she has resisted taking
    sides, passing off conjecture and falsehoods for fact, and giving a one-sided story. The law should be about a search for truth in which both sides get to present evidence and
    both sides are allowed to be challenged.

    People who are interested in learning about the issues in major legal
    proceedings, but do not want to be told what to think, appreciate Beth. Beth
    Karas is very well thought of in social media and has a good fan base of her
    own. Beth, I hope you find a more rewarding opportunity allowing you to do what
    Court TV used to do: educate and inform.

    Good Luck, Beth!

    • Occupy HLN

      Robert, with all due respect, I understand that relative to other HLN personalities, she seemed unbiased. But as pointed out in this article, she’s clearly biased and has clearly violated the SPJ codes of ethics. So she’s not the saint we thought she was — in addition to the fact she has lawsuits against her.

      ~ Jason

      • Basse Krokke

        PFFT. Beth Karas was absolutely trashing Jodi Arias during the trial, right along with her cohorts on HLN. I have ZERO respect for her, and I have ZERO sympathy as well.

        • Beverly

          I agree Basse. I felt she was playing the usual HLN game and keeping in line with their determination to trash Jodi while putting TA on a pedestal. If it was so against her beliefs she should have quit then and there! The fact that she is a lawyer makes it very surprising that she would make such a stupid judgement call as to party with the Morons, oooops I meant Mormons WHILE THE TRIAL WAS GOING ON!!!!

          • Un Remarkable

            One thing I know (sorry no pictures but I have experience with) is (a) Mormon and party, hhhmmm (b) Beth doesn’t party like a Mormon parties

        • ANDY K

          WERE YOU EVEN WATCHING THE SAME TRIAL AS THE REST OF US WERE?? – SHE NEVER TRASHED
          ANY ONE AT ANY TIME….I THINK BETH HAS NO COHORTS AT HLN & NEVER DID…..

          • fred

            You are obviously unaware of the time she spent with a ‘victim advocate’ during and after the trial, and how ‘blue ribbons’ for Travis started…

          • ANDY K

            Maybe but tell me – what does Beth have to do with
            “blue ribbons” – I saw the whole trial since Jan 2nd and have no recollection of Beth tied into blue ribbons – please enlighten me……..

          • ANDY K

            How come you did not comment on the blue ribbons/Beth Karas issue I wrote about yesterday – Maybe because there isn’t any connection…….

          • fred

            Have a bit of researching around, it will come to you. Just think of neo-con websites. I am not giving them free advertising.
            I already give away my free knowledge.

          • Feliciene

            Beth has never trashed anyone & is one of the best. I miss her.

      • Robert R

        Jason, after re-reading your article, I will say that Beth should have left years ago when Nancy was brow-beating her. She stayed and maybe now she might end up on your wall.

    • Rob

      I agree. Maybe SHE gave them the bird. There where more than a few times I noticed her blatantly taking the defense’s side and be chastised or talked over by the other pundits. Grace probably made more obvious than most and watching the reactions of Karas told she really did not agree with what she was doing. It seems like everyone gets that “deer in the headlights” look dealing with Crazy Nancy.

      • Robert R

        You’re right. Years ago she was treated real bad by Nancy as a commentator on Nancy’s show. I felt bad for her. She should have left years ago. Nancy has Scott Safron WRAPPED around her little finger, that’s how she does it.

        • Rob

          Not sure how she can be defended for this…The Lawsuit Jason is referring to:

          http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Skakel-lawyer-files-suit-against-TV-s-Nancy-Grace-3977355.php

          And this is the video of the conversation…..

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-pAY_2UzprY#t=46s

          I guess it will come out in the lawsuit if she was being coached by Grace..

          • Robert R

            Oooooo, Skakel rears his ugly head. Oh, I know this case. Thanks. I’m looking at this…

          • Robert R

            So it looks as if Beth got pulled into that by Nancy, not surprising. Don’t mess with the Kennedy’s. I can’t believe he was found guilty.

            It is true that they did lead him to believe that there was DNA evidence and then shortly after he came up with a cover story of why his DNA might be found. So there is some truth to it. But I’m glad Nancy is in the hot seat. Great!

          • LexxiMarie

            Nancy G always injects herself into the conversation as a victim herself, anyone else notice that? She always has to one up the real victim.

          • Rob

            I’m sure loosing a loved one to a killing sucks and taking on a fight in their name is noble. However, (and this defiantly happened early on) it becomes a mute point because its covered up by the suicides she has caused. Watching her prosecute people before an investigation is complete only to see the accused exonerated publicly by the state. She has been right about some of them. Saying everyone is guilty will get the guilty ones too I suppose. She creates murders and rapes before they are deemed as such. I the name of her killed loved one.

            People got pretty pissed about Whitney Houston:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLe4w0YZQI

            On the view she was actually called out on that victim thing she does.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A7LNNwyol3E

          • Mnavratilova

            Her voice starts to quiver and the tears are ready to go…pleeeease! She thinks she’s on the stage. As if she was a victim, she seems to have moved on quite nicely, how can she even think of putting her self in the same category as a mother of a murdered child? Who is swallowing this s___t?

          • Un Remarkable

            They’re ready to go EVERY NIGHT. (I have to admit, I haven’t watched in a long, long time—am I applying undo criticism for this upstanding journalist?) Sure, I get it. However, the act every program dilutes the fact. Parents or families or victims don’t seek out shows after the fact for the rest of their lives. (the one from Florida, when he does a show re: a missing child, he doesn’t act as she does)

            She should be a soap actress, not journalist. If she were latino she’d be great on one of those shows (I love watching them. I’m big on speaking with inflection correctly and that is the best place I’ve seen for Spanish)

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m not sure if he’s out of Florida but if you’re talking about John Walsh of America’s Most Wanted, he is a victim for real because his son got murdered. He has a completely different motivation to begin with so HLN is not in the same league. Also his show actually helps solve crimes once in a while. He has dignity which Nance does not. You’re right she should be a diva on a Columbian soap.

          • ANDY K

            You are so right on the money about her….I only hope that she reads these comments posted here so she knows what people feel about her and what an asshole she is….passing herself off as a victim is a favorite hobby of hers. She was a lousy prosecutor and now a biased and phony television host. It amazes me that defense attorneys (and others that disagree with her) keep returning to her show for more abuse. Guess some people think this is good TV…..

          • Un Remarkable

            She doesn’t read anything she doesn’t agree with. Assholes don’t believe they’re assholes. I can’t believe real victims go on her show.

          • Un Remarkable

            It makes me CRAZY. She is disrespectful to victims and colleagues and humans. Equal opportunity offender. I’d be interested to analyze her husband (ex yet?)

          • Mnavratilova

            I can’t tell you how many times that’s crossed my mind.
            Who is that guy? If he hadn’t helped her procreate I’d say he should be canonized.

          • Un Remarkable

            Canonized? You are certainly a more sympathetic individual than me. She seems to exploit her children, garnering sympathy and well wishers because of them. I worry about them unless she is a personality on television and completely different off camera. Even then, I am suspect for a few reasons I could make snarky comparisons to JA, but I won’t.

          • Mnavratilova

            HE should be canonized, meaning declared a saint for putting up with her. Can you imagine her at the diner table: BOMBSHELL tonight!!!

          • Un Remarkable

            That’s what I meant, you are more sympathetic than I. I don’t understand (really, truly) how a person with her disrespect for everyone could have a marriage. Perhaps he could be canonized for leaving (and on the off chance he would fight for custody, absolutely).

            I watched a segment last night with NG and Dan Abrams from when she said the ME conducting the autopsy was looking for the trauma that was caused by “the murderer.” Abrams and Robin Roberts (for a brief moment) tried in vain to elicit an apology (b/c obviously no trauma had been found). Of course, she yelled over DA, never backed off, we all know. I thought to myself if ABC would have let Robin Roberts at her for 30 secs, either (a) the outrage at NG’s disrespect would have resulted in her dismissal from GMA or (b) Robin Roberts would have eaten her alive.

          • Mnavratilova

            Sorry, it’s hard to do sarcasm over the net :) I got you. Yeah, and I wish somebody would have their mike on long enough to give her a good bitch slap.

          • Un Remarkable

            Yeah typing isn’t great for sarcasm. Exactly, she cuts as soon as it doesn’t suit her. I’m a farmer (born and raised) and I’d rather be thigh deep shoveling my chicken composter in 33 degree driving rain/sleet for 100 days than be a producer on her show for ten minutes.

            I don’t pity them though, they know who they will work with. I need to go shovel some of that compost so I can get her off my brain. Someone like her shouldn’t be worth the time I am letting it “occupy” my mind.

          • Mnavratilova

            I’m not a farmer and I’d rather be thigh deep shoveling your composter than be her producer, I’d shovel that composter at high noon in 100 degrees rather than be her husband…

          • fred

            Cannonised as in cannons?

          • Mnavratilova

            Personally, I would canonize him and load her into a cannon

          • fred

            Doing both might be appropriate.
            There is way too much saintliness already lol

          • Mnavratilova

            Yeah, so much saintliness that I feel I’m in Dante’s fifth circle…

          • Ptaylor

            If there were a drinking game for every time Nancy brings up the murder of her fiancé…..there would be a lot of continual hangovers! I am very sorry her fiancé was murdered, but please Nancy…it really isn’t always about you!
            I saw her on good morning America with Dan Abrams…..he was making point to Nancy that Jodi mitigating statement would have been condemned byNancy. Regardless of what Jodi said. Nancy says something like ‘this case isn’t about me. When I was on the stand testifying after my fiancé was murdered and as I got off the stand and walked by defense table , no one even looked at me….and I just wanted them to acknowledge my loss…..)!’
            So it wasn’t about Nancy per Nancy and yet in her next breath she makes it all about her!??!

          • Un Remarkable

            I don’t think she can be defended. Pay the suit, settle it and move on.

            NG will continue to have these suits brought and legitimate reporters will stop being on her show because it is a liability. Im glad to see this though. I thought maybe something happened in the last 6 months to make NG so awful.

            PS–I had a vision of NG in the tree with a DNA swab collecting a “DNA sample.”
            PSS–Maybe HLN will present some independent DNA sample? Who knows. I wish NG would retire.

          • Rob

            I heard her imply William Zervakos was a Rat….Why? Because he chose to give her life(not a very good one though I might add)? At least he has the balls enough to speak out and say he didn’t want to put her to death.

          • Un Remarkable

            I agree “at least he has the balls to speak out and say he didn’t want to put her to death.”

            Did NG or BK call Mr. Zervakos a rat? (I can guess but, I don’t want to comment unless I know.

          • Rob

            I stand corrected..She was actually going after every male on that jury that voted for life saying she “smelled a rat”. Because of the “boob job” question which really had nothing to do with the boob job itself

            Transcript is here

            http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1306/13/ng.01.html

            hit ctrl-f and search for rat.

          • Un Remarkable

            W-O-W.

          • Mnavratilova

            She’s like Wendy Murphy, she’s another one who thinks men don’t have enough blood to operate both organs at the same time (I am not suggesting they had to while in the jury box, she is):

            “Anyone who kept their erogenous zones in check while watching this five-month saga unfold saw the shtick for what it was from day one. The only question was whether the male jurors would be smart enough to vote for death notwithstanding their tingly parts. Now we know, sadly, that the answer is no…”

            http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-hannibal-lecter-arias/

          • Rob

            Paraphrasing from the article: “I am not yelling give her death. But if it is a byproduct so be it. I would have secretly wanted it that way. Unfortunately four boners got in the way.”

          • Mnavratilova

            Thou hast beguiled my hopes with thy boners,
            though not so secret on my part, ya Flan donors,
            In the next round twelve fair maiden
            shall make come true my wet dreams by death laiden…
            WM

          • Mnavratilova

            Did you read that letter his son wrote? Sad

          • Mnavratilova

            Maybe that’s how she got pregnant, while she was up in that tree.
            In my vision she didn’t have a swab with her, she was up there commando style

    • AquariusinAZ

      You said it very well. Thanks!

      • Robert R

        I always appreciated Beth’s analyses and even-handedness. I wonder what Beth will do next? Nancy has Scot Safron (I call him Safron, LOL) wrapped around her finger. Beth should have left when Nancy was treating her like dirt years ago.

  • Meredith

    FYI: 1. That is not a pic of Dan and Desiree Freeman. 2. Desiree is Dan’s sister and has brown hair.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jasonpaulweber Jason Weber

      Thanks for the correction of the typo, Meredith. Yes, Desiree is Dan’s sister, but that has been reported by CNN themselves to be Desiree. If it’s not — not that it matters — then I’ll correct myself and alert CNN to the same. Thanks for posting!

      ~ Jason

      • Meredith

        Even if it were Dan and Desiree, which it’s not, they were defense witnesses. No one else besides Deanna testified for the prosecution, and that was for the rebuttal. Doesn’t that change the accusation this blog post makes about Beth partying with prosecution witnesses? Chris and Sky were called by the defense for hearings out of the view of jurors by the defense, also!

        • LexxiMarie

          When I see Dan Freeman up there in that picture it kind of makes me think what does he really know that he didn’t tell on the witness stand? Was he covering up some facts because he is buddy buddy with Chris Hughes and didn’t want to upset the group?

        • Robert R

          Dan Freeman, who appeared on the stand to be a very good and sensible person, publicly stated after he testified that Jodi Arias should get the Death Penalty. So, either someone got to him, or prolonging suffering (endless trial) and revenge and retaliation are basic Mormon values.

        • Mnavratilova

          Sometimes a witness is a hostile witness so regardless which side they are called by, they may still be effectively pro-prosecution. I do not remember any of the folks in the photograph stating publicly, or on the stand, anything remotely pro-defense. Let’s assume for a moment that what you have implied is true and that they are a mixed bag of defense and prosecution witnesses, does that make Karas any more objective? Do you think it’s ok for an impartial journalist to be posing with any of them (defense witnesses or prosecution witnesses) during the course of a (high profile) trial?

          • Meredith

            BEth Karas took a PICTURE with those people. It does not mean that they were partying together. I have always found Beth to be very UNbiased. According to the standards laid out in this blog post, FOX is just as guilty, if not MORE SO, as HLN for unbiased journalism. I worry more about political propaganda which affects us ALL, than some skanky murdering psycho who is better off locked away or dead. Why are so many people here defending JA??? She slaughtered another human being because he was not interested in a serious relationship with her. I didn’t know that was grounds to murder another human being! If so, maybe I could have killed about every guy that has broken up with me over the years. What is wrong with everyone? Why do people care about JA!?!? Let her get the punishment she deserves, and then forget about her! She’s scum. She’s not redeemable. She said it to Ryan Owens herself….she won’t kill you as long as you don’t “threaten to kill her life”. WTF does that mean? Kill her life? We all know that the only thing Travis did to “threaten her” was not return her feelings, and possible tell his friends what a complete psycho/stalker she was. Someone like her is a DANGER TO ALL OF SOCIETY. You just don’t know what triggers a person like her. You could tell her that she had a spot on her shirt and she would probably consider that to be a threat to her “image”…..should she kill a person for that? What sets a person like her off? NO ONE KNOWS! She has NO REMORSE. JA does not think she did anything wrong. She feels justified for killing a person who did NOTHING to her but try to move on with his life. There is a CHIP MISSING in her brain, and it is called EMPATHY. That makes her a psychopath. I don’t believe JA even loved Travis. She wanted to be him. She wanted to belong like he did. She wanted HIS LIFE. It was all about power and control for her. She’s incapable of love. It’s all about her and what she can get from someone. She is a psychopathic, narcissistic murderer. End of story. Who cares if she gets DP??? Good riddance to her. Any man, including the moderator of this blog, should be afraid to break up with someone now because of her. Because according to all the JA “fans”, it’s okay to kill someone if they do not return your affections!! As far as Beth goes, she was probably let go because she wasn’t sensationalistic enough. She was too UNBIASED for HLN. I wish her all the best. I liked Beth a lot!

          • Mnavratilova

            You avoided my questions and even your original points. A photo does not mean a party but is wrong enough. An unbiased journalist is not only supposed to avoid conflict of interest but the mere appearance of one as well, for obvious reasons. Fox or any number of other networks are not the discussion here, as you will note from the name of this website, though you may be right in that regard. What you went to great lengths to emphasize is how wonderful the death penalty is and how and why Arias deserves it. Anyone so flippant about this must not realize that justice is very much affected by politics and both affect all of us. All the things you stated about Arias are not facts which have been proven. If I stated emphatically that she killed TA in self defense, it would not make this any more true than what you say, just because I claim it.

            End of story? I think not

          • Meredith

            I don’t think the DP os wonderful, but it is there for a reason. And JA’s crime, as found by the jury, was premeditated, cruel and heinous. That’s the kind of crime that the DP was made for. I am not pro DP, but in this case, I have no problem with it. I would have no problem if she got LWOP, either. As long as she is never set free to kill again. She attacked a naked, defenseless man in the shower! This is my view, and that’s all I am gonna say about it from this point on. If you are pro-JA, then I question your integrity. I am not going to argue with someone who defends and justifies a convicted murderer.

          • Mnavratilova

            Calm down? I am calm. You should take a tranquilizer. If you think I am pro JA then you didn’t understand anything you read, so while you question my integrity I question your intelligence. If you want to discuss things with people who don’t question your views then go to justice4travis, instead of hurling insults around here

          • Meredith

            Wait, a minute, is this really Alyce LaViolette, infamous JA apologist? Is that why you are so hostile when I speak out against a convicted killer? Do you “have feelings” for her?

          • Mnavratilova

            Do you suffer from paranoia? Do you hear voices?
            Perhaps Thorazine is what you need…..

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  • Milan McCandle

    Just curious, was Jean Casarez also let go? On the Beth Karas support page that you gave the link for, it says, “For those who have been confused, HLN is no longer covering any love trials after the Arias trial. In Session will show 2 hrs of taped trials daily, then the rest goofy reality shows. Along with the live trials, the live reporters are leaving – Beth and Jean Casarez. I made this page to start a social media wave so hopefully another network will realize how much interest there is in live trials and Beth is the best reporter there is or will ever be. I am personally attending the Arias trial nearly daily sitting in solidarity with Travis’ family so I see Beth regularly.”
    I’m thinking maybe they’ve been getting a lot of backlash. Perhaps more people than it seems are furious about the way they’ve behaved and the damage they’ve done.
    My god I hope so! I hope they have no end of the backlash, dirtbags.
    I know that Beth Karas comes across as “ladylike”, but as you say in your article, her behavior is just unconscionable. I was truly shocked when I saw those photos, and as the quote shows above, it certainly seems well known around the courthouse which side she’s been on. Shameful.

    • fred

      To say nothing of the interfering by a ‘victim’s advocate’ posting daily on a website who aligned herself with media whores and the family to meet her own needs.
      She posted constantly throughout the trial (whilst there) and gained sufficient publicity and kudos from these people to appear on the Ricky Lake show.
      A totally unknown character before, she is now mis-perceived as the ‘heroine’ of the case.
      Can we say more witness tampering from a whole well known website?

  • fred

    Was it a death penalty termination or just an ordinary one?

    ”Before you lob cries of a sensationalist media profiting off a gruesome death, realize that people are clamoring for the coverage. HLN has enjoyed a ratings boost since the trial began, and people drive hours to see the trial for themselves.”

    Now really, lets be sensible about this…

    What we have to wonder is, exactly who are the people who fill up on sensationalist media depictions of gruesome death, that makes them clamour?

    Why would they even be interested? Injustice and intergenerational abuse of minors, is in cults and DV against their women just not not ‘sexy’ enough?

    If 4:100 people have Anti Social Personality Disorder, (more than some common diseases), how many of them lap up gore guts and gurney? I am unaware of the number of people who devour guts and gore nightly, but a large percentage of them, at least 4 in ten might just fall into this category. It may even attract more ASPD’s etc. just because of the revolting content.

    Irresponsible yes, implicit messages of hatred towards women (remember the horrific images of violence juxtaposed with female genitalia, how could we forget?)

    Night after night after night.

    I call it TraumaTV. The place you go for unexpurgated real life soap operas – missing the aliens.
    They like each other and even attract each other, narcissism falls into that spectrum, and they do like to play with people and screw them around by lying deceitfulness, while making loads from money victims families.and women in particular.

    Women have been relegated to two dimensional Whores or Madonna’s in a five dimensional world.

    I don’t even live in the US, and I am mightily offended by their sneaky implicit messages, it reminds me of the subconscious supermarket messages decades ago.

    I think it could be the equivalent and very similar to brainwashing cult I know. No wonder they feed off each other, it’s endless ‘narcissistic supply’ …

    I might start a class action based on constant re-traumatising of PTSD, before we all start to suffer from it. That level of misplaced anger stirred up by these people has just made it worse for all women, and we really have enough to contend with already.

    Stirring up violence threatening behaviour, witness tampering and plain old sexism, is not anything to be proud of at all.

    It’seems you all had some respect for Beth, so she was never going to last. Humiliating and sexist. Ho hum, it’s all sordidly predictable.
    Thanks to Jason and those who spread humanity and truth.

  • fred

    Oh ok, not so respected at all, she is forever tainted. I wonder if the chattering classes are ever really affected by the daily gore? Maybe they are desensitised, that is worse, I don’t know how or why they do it, but I have done child protection for 30+ years and it takes a toll and it is traumatising. How do they escape it?

    • Occupy HLN

      Fred, good post. I really don’t know how these HLN people block out their own transgressions. I think when the money starts flowing in, you put your psychological “blinders” on, you become immune to morality — or, as you said, desensitized.

      ~ Jason

      • fred

        Or you get a face lift and go shopping for overpriced clothes for their overpriced jobs, and apply make-up liberally.
        Or they drink do drugs or become addicted to something, maybe the gore?

      • fred

        Actually Jason not to be mean, but they might give themselves PTSD or vicarious trauma. It happens in traumatic situations, and ongoing trauma is very bad for you. So while desensitisation works, it is only a coping mechanism, that can actually make you care less, as you see in prisons etc. where brutalisation is commonplace. Nancy?
        But it can’t go on forever without some way to put it somewhere. So the mind shuts it off or compartmentalises it until it is ready to deal with it.
        Vicarious or second hand trauma from dealing with other people’s stories, has an impact whether we like it or not. It changes us, and our world views of positive and negative, Dear old Nancy is worn out.
        It might not surface immediately, but don’t be surprised by some form of addiction from any of them, it’s just not possible to sustain that level of anger and trauma forever, and Juan better look after his heart.
        It would be amusing to see them suing their employers for traumatic stress related illnesses. We can only hope they are not as hapless as they are, and get adequate trauma debriefing or they will pay for it.
        Do you remember Fred West the UK serial killer? Just about everyone who came into contact with that case lawyers professionals and even the Appropriate Adult appointed to him has been affected for life, not just the victims and families.
        I myself suffer from it, because of my work in child protection, it’s not a new concept, I successfully sued my employers for failure to adequately debrief.

  • fred

    Just one more comment, has the cult publicly stated anything about Travis Alexander’s clearly unholy holiness. No, I wouldn’t imagine so.

    • Occupy HLN

      Fred, many Mormons have expressed disgust, and have admitted he was a disgrace to the church — and have done so publicly. That was part of the reason for the Mormon Media Blitz. The Mormon Church pays for Samantha and Tanisha’s gas money. They never needed it. So part of the Mormon Media Blitz was to keep the Samantha/Tanisha and the Chris Hughes scam funds alive.

      Another part of the Mormon Media Blitz that was supported by the church was to make sure Jodi was convicted of M1. So when you see a Chris Hughes, a Sky Hughes, a Taylor Searle, a Dave Hall, a Clancy Talbot, or an Abe Adbelhadi on HLN, while the church knows they’re robbing people, they need the propaganda to convict Jodi. This way, Travis would seems like “slightly less of a disgrace” to the church, and hence the Mormon Church would save a little face.

      ~ Jason

      • fred

        Good to know that, they has no other viable option, and the cult needs more coin.
        Oh I’m sure these people are well skilled at salesmanship it’s their life blood, and scamming is an apparently justifiable way of life that I personally find abhorrent. The person with the dead animals makes my hair stand on end.
        To be honest I’ve never watched HLN, and I don’t think it would be a constructive move to do so. Reading about it tells me everything and more…

        • Mnavratilova

          The Safari guy et al are behind the “Memorial” funds, TAL etc. ostensibly created to carry on Travis’ passions one of which was ANIMAL RESCUE. An excerpt from the TAL fund (since altered):

          ..”Travis was passionate about animal rescues and lessening the suffering of animals. The TAL Fund will continue with this objective by raising money and awareness for animal rescues.”

          Mission accomplished on both, raising money and awareness, though the “for animals” seemed to slip through a loophole.

          • fred

            Ugh, he gives me the shivers. Automatic weapons of physical destruction? I couldn’t even read the article because of the disturbing photographs. Kudos to those who could.
            No change can ever be expected there.
            In fact don’t expect any ‘change’ at all from anyone linked to this outfit, monetary or otherwise.
            They are dyed in the wool narcissists.
            They deal in victimisation’ and cloak it very well, but cloaks can be removed and secrets revealed.
            It requires depth, and the shallow don’t have it so they make it easy for those of us who do.
            BTW 4:100 doesn’t mean one in ten, I don’t know what level of intelligence I was mirroring there!;)

          • Mnavratilova

            The visual images are particularly disturbing to me and tell me a story. Are you familiar with Alice Miller?

          • fred

            Indeed I am, and very familiar with object relations and the failure of parents to ‘mirror’ the infant.

  • Alessi

    Great article!
    Btw, I bet that part about there being a will leaving the dog to the cookie monster (ok, I meant Deanna Ried but she really looks like the cookie monster from Sesame Street) is another lie. Almost nothing those people say rings true.

  • Jay Hunt

    We got it and we are not surprised by anything regarding HLN. Visit “HLN – Boycott” on Facebook. That’s our page with the same mission.

  • LexxiMarie

    Whoa, that is crazy. This is what our judicial system is coming to. Jodi was right, no jury convicted her, HLN did. Of course the jurors were watching the HLN circus. I wouldn’t have been surprised to have seen Beth and Chris Hughes partying with the jurors at this point. No matter which side you are on, this should piss you off royally. This was a death penalty trial for cryin out loud, but they made it into a lifetime movie. There was an entire cast and everything. The only problem with this lifetime movie was someone has to deal with the reality of it all, the defendant. Next time this could be any of us.

  • jay

    If you want to throw it out that ” the constitution” has been altered, look no further than the white house! Our current president, ranks with Jimmy Carter as the WORST!

    HLN or any media did not kill Travis Alexander, she did. Consequences is what she has to do now.

    • Rob

      Your’e right HLN did not Kill him. They have however made Arias look like she is at the same level as the Green River Killer or Charles Manson.

      • Beverly

        And they have elevated Travis Alexander to sainthood. The man was an abusive, warped, sexual deviant. He was in a questionable occupation. He didn’t handle money well. He borrowed money from Jodi all the time. In a few more months he likely would have lost his house. Those who knew Jodi all said she changed after she started hanging with TA. The way HLN went on about TA and what a great man he was made me want to vomit. It was disturbing how they simply ignored anything negative regarding him, and there were LOTS of negatives.

  • jay

    Furthermore, why is this trial any different than others? She should have been on death row months ago. She’s making a mockery of the judical system. Trying to make it “the jodi arias reality show” Hopefully, the lives of further victims will be spared as she rots either in prison or the ground. Either way, ROT!

    • Robert R

      She should not be on death row at all. That is why the trial has been so long and expensive. There is no one on death row in AZ or America with facts similar to these. Maybe you should review the crimes and criminal history of anyone on death row in America. Trying to make this a DP case is what is making a mockery of the judicial system.

      Carjacking and kidnapping two people, beating and raping a man repeatedly, taking him out to the railroad tracks, cutting off his sexual organs, shooting him multiple times and setting him on fire is a death penalty case.

      Binding a woman, beating her and raping her for 3 days including anally with a chair leg, then leaving her to suffocate in a plastic bag is a death penalty case.

      Taking a young child from her home, holding her captive for hours and hours while she is starngled and sexually vilolated, then burying her alive is a death penalty case.

      It looks like the Juan Martinez show to me. Get some perspective.

      • Rob

        Exactly.

      • Meredith

        Wrong. Wendi Andriano is on Death Row at Perryville for killing her husband. Similar circumstance. No one is bitching about her!

        • Robert R

          Wrong Meredith. Wendi Andriano methodically poisoned her terminally ill husband over a period of time. She called 911 on the day he died, but then sent them away because he was not dead. Then she beat him in the skull with a barstool over 30 times until it broke into pieces, then she stabbed him 27 times and left the knife in his throat.

          The motive was she wanted the money from lawsuits and his life insurance and she got tired of waiting for him to die naturally.

          That is way different and far worse than the Arias case. Feel free to try and come up with a better example. Get some perspective!

        • Mnavratilova

          No, the bitching part is true , but did you see parades celebrating her conviction and penalty? Did you see the HLN’s caravan of winnebagos, Katy Wick’s makeup artist, or any of the usual suspects at her show? Were there people holding up signs for her prosecutor for governor after her conviction?
          Was RedBull a sponsor at any of the other concurrent trials going on?

  • jay

    Beth Karas did NOTHING to be fired. What happens when she lands a job with Fox? Not pro Obama! Why not occupy FOX? Or have you already?

    • Robert R

      It appears that “FOX” is occupying you.

    • Beverly

      Well, HLN does serve ONE purpose. It helps pathetic people like you know what to think.

  • ANDY K

    i wrote a full commentary on beth karas……I do not see it

    • ANDY K

      sorry my error

  • ANDY K

    Beth was tossed aside like an old shoe……partying???..Since when is having a drink a crime??? – Karas is like no one on HLN…She will reinvent herself while HLN’s ratings will plummet. She will resurface in a new position on a new network while Nancy DISgrace will continue her nasty and viscous ways…Why any defense lawyers keep going on her show to be disrespected and made to look like a fool will not continue forever. Soon no one of any value will appear on that show while Beth will become a great asset….HLN/TRU TV really messed this one up. America needs live trials – not Lizard Lick Towing!!!Best of luck to Beth – A real professional

    • fred

      Why on earth do we need live trials? Trials happen every day at your local courthouse same types of murders same consequences.
      It’s the skewed imposition of twisted values that goes along with it that I object to.
      Law is meant to be objective.
      HLN and ilk, have no place in the law.

      • ANDY K

        I agree with you in theory and HLN is not what I am talking about. I mean trials on the the old IN SESSION / 6 hours / Mon-Fri (no pause buttons!!)..We need live trials to show our citizens how the process works….it may be a flawed one but it’s the best process we have. Also, don’t you think it a good thing that students wanting to study the law can see a live trial so all the roles are right in front of him/her?

        • Rob

          Lets give HLN props for this part of it…They made this such a circus that it actually made people stare at the trial and the fairness of it. Yeah you have the crazies on either side of the isle but then you have the ones that looked at it for what it was and started digging. Would those people have actually acted if it wasn’t such a mishandled event? This site wouldn’t have been around.

          For me personally I have followed many trials over the years. But I will admit I was not really following this case at the beginning. Id’e see her face on tv and I knew it was a murder trial.

          At some point I started scratching my head puzzled about this crazy killer stalker Jodi Arias. So I searched the raw trial footage and the evidence submitted by the state. What really got me charged up was the flores/horn bit in the first 3 days of the trial. I wasn’t really sure why yet. But it caught my attention by the time I got done watching the 10th day i was more convinced there was no proof of premeditation. “Why not just sneak down and shoot the dude and pay cash for everything?”

          Then I ran across this site and read “What really happened in the JA trial” Though I’m thinking more in the lines of a charge of M2 if not self defense, it filled in more of the question marks.

          Over the few months of conversations It is obvious to me that horn perjured himself on the stand in all phases of this trial. And the physical evidence does show it is quite possible she was stabbing him in the back while he had her by the waist The neck cut picture (compliments of the press) looks wrong for being slashed from behind If you can get past the gruesomeness of it go look at it and try running your finger across your neck in the pattern of the wound. Does it make sense to you?

          So let’s give them props! Thanks for all the nasty forensic photos and sensationalism you have brought to this little murder case in AZ! We wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for you CNN!

        • ANDY K

          Rob…..what do my comments to Fred have to do with your response to me? – I only want to continue to be able to see live trials on IN SESSION as they used to be….I wasn’t discussing Arias at all…..Can’t figure out your point……..

          • ANDY K

            Rob,,could you please respond to my comments above…………Arias has nothing to do with my thoughts on live trials!!!

          • Rob

            I’m confused. You seem to be responding to yourself.

        • fred

          No I don’t. Trials are free every day the local courthouse. This is an example of what not to do, and could be taped instead of broadcast world wide. If it is world-wide then world-wide opinions count, and I think it is excruciatingly horrific and unjust.
          I can think of only one thing in it’s favour, and it happens to be HLN and publicity, even though the message is cruel and unconscionable, we certainly got it in unintended ways.

  • ANDY K

    I wanted to say something else re: Beth K……how many reporters or commentators or annalists are affiliated with a network that has 4 hours of programming beginning at 7PM – 4-5 nights a week where the guests of these programs are also witnesses & friends of the deceased victim ??

    Karas being on HLN and in court every day seeing these folks, led to having drinks with them….SO WHAT!!!!

    Beth has consistently shown no bias towards either prosecution or defense.When either party she believes makes statements or something comes up that she feels is not true – She says what she feels IS the truth. Her personality does not allow her to project sensationalism. Shae has an analytical mind and always thinks before she responds to a host that is nowhere her equal concerning the law. Many of these so called hosts on HLN cannot carry her briefcase when it comes to discussing the different points that zip in and out of a trial on a daily basis – especially 4-5 days a week for FIVE MONTHS……Again. Karas got a raw deal and the CNN owners will rue the day they allowed this to happen.With so little professionalism left in our society as a whole, she was one of the few bright lights you could depend on for objective analysis as well as honest criticism – even in the midst of growling dog co-workers (Jean C being the only exception).

    2 class acts that will find a new home very soon.

    • Mnavratilova

      Sometimes the people who “appear” to be objective are more dangerous than the blatantly biased. It’s a subtle type of propaganda.

  • Fran

    You are doing a good job of putting out false info, this crap about Beth Karas is just that CRAP

  • James Cageby

    Are the propaganda media outlets NBC/MNBC to toxic for Jason to OCCUPY?
    Where is Jason’s outrage over the phony racial animus that was drummed up by NBC when they edited Zimmerman’s phone call to non emergency 911? The still born child of NBC, MSNBC, ran with the faux racist angle featuring non other than their chief race baiter Al Sharpton.

    • Rob

      In my opinion they are all the same. Just not as blatant and out of control as Cable News has been about it . Its actually pretty sad that you have to go to other countries’ news outlets to get the facts on american news stories none of the american media talk about.

      When they where protesting in Russia over the election, News Corp had a video of the people in the streets looting, setting stuff on fire, and general Chaos while they where reporting the story. RT America pointed out that if you looked in the background, you could see the Bank Of Greece.

      • Mnavratilova

        Oooh, that’s good

  • Connie Alsip

    I absolutely feel like I’ve been slapped. I have always enjoyed Beth’s reporting, just because she is not screaming her data out (unlike Nancy Grace and Jane Juarez Mitchell), She has always been the voice of moderation in that screaming zoo at HLN. Shame on you for saying all that trash talk about someone who is already down. Kinda like Jodi Arias, aren’t you? If one way doesn’t work, let’s do two more ways to make sure he’s dead. For shame.

    • ANDY K

      Connie……I agree with you 100%…please read my comments about Beth….They treated her with terrible disrespect…..it WILL come back to them in spades as their audience tires of no real trial coverage. They should have left IN SESSION where it was and left HLN to where it was – a vacuous news program that no one watched…Beth will resurface somewhere where they appreciate articulate and unbiased coverage…..that will be her best revenge – to be with a company who doesn’t shake in their boots if one of their own has a drink with members of both sides of the court room.

      ak

  • wyattmonk

    It may not have been right for her to party with witnesses but since Jodi Arias confessed to killing Travis Alexander it wasn’t as if HLN had an innocent until proven guilty defendant.

  • fred

    Apologies for being annoying, though not quite off topic, but I wanted to ask if I am the only one seeing universal meta-modernism in action here?
    A very clear dialectic resisted by traditionalists?
    Traditionalists who want to hang on to outmoded notions of gender role behaviour?

    • Un Remarkable

      Fred, sorry I didn’t see this earlier. Interesting observation. Ironic that I discussed metamod. for a long (way too long) time today. Let me marinate a bit on what I learned and discussed today.

      I’m so glad a person not in that class mentioned it because I honestly felt like I was in some alternate dimension today. Thanks, I will respond more another day.

  • Elbas

    I agree that Beth has lost her objectivity and have no doubt she was pushed into that direction by HLN. However I disagree that she has always been a biased prosecution hawk. I’ve watched her from the start and was the only neutral one reporting on trials who flatly refused to make judgements or engage in tabloid conversations. She educated people on the system, that was her passion. Over the years I’ve contacted her a number of times and never detected any bias. Just facts if law. Until recently she was the only crime reporter I respected. I’ve criticized her openly on her FB page and she left my criticism up. I believe what happened to her is what happens to many people within a toxic workplace and profession. Her ethics faded as she played their game in an attempt to keep her job. I wish she would have quit instead.

    • Mnavratilova

      This was an objective, thoughtful and human approach on your part imo

  • George Barwood

    This trial was such a travesty… Please see

    http://femme-fatale.wikispaces.com

    which puts three well known miscarriages, Debra Milke, Amanda Knox and Jodi Arias into context. These were witch hunts.

    • Mnavratilova

      thanks for the link

  • Feliciene

    Beth was one of the best on In Session. Want bias, that’s Jean C.

  • Lara

    So Michael Kiefer’s relationship with Nurmi & Wilmott is OK? The fact that Kiefer wrote stories about leaks the defense wanted reported is not biased? How did Kiefer know about Laviolette’s drama queen visit to the ER for “anxiety?” How did Kiefer have access to the Hughes’ emails regarding Travis’ treatment of Jodi? That’s right–Kiefer, supposedly a “journalist” was in cahoots with the defense. Kiefer also disparaged the entire Alexander family and said vile things about Travis–the only victim in this case. Real professional.

  • Lara

    This site seems to advocate blaming the victim and excusing the convicted murderer Jodi. Is it also OK to rape a prostitute because she sells her body for a living and has no morals and does drugs? The only victims worthy of having their day in court are “perfect?” Bottom line: being called a whore and used for sex is NOT any justification for a slaughter. Look at the pictures of Jodi’s hideously ugly genitals–her dilated anus says it all: she’s a fan of anal sex. She’s not even embarrassed of her deformed inner labia–so deformed that she needs 2 hands to masturbate. What a freak.

    • Robert R

      Sells her body? – no evidence. Does drugs? – no evidence. The anal obsession is all Travis and is his justification for violating his sacred vows. Since when is looking at objective facts “blaming the victim”? Who is excusing Jodi Arias? You seem to not be interested in due process, fair trials, or the Constitution. But just ike Travis, You do have a freakish interest in Jodi’s anus and vagina to the exclusion of more cultured and refined pursuits.

      • Mnavratilova

        Wonderwoman obviously doesn’t realize that comments like that are demeaning to all women. I was so repulsed by that post that I had to step back away from the keyboard. Thank you for keeping your composure and answering that revolting rant with a rational response.

        • Robert R

          This is typical and very tame in comparison to 100′s of tweets directed @jodiannarias. I have seen much worse on other sites as well. It angers me because these are the exact kind of mean-spirited taunts that are pushing young girls to suicide all over America.

          • Mnavratilova

            I find it revolting that most of these comments come from women. It is most destructive to children but in no way conducive to a future of healthy relationships between men and women either.

          • Robert R

            I’m not so sure that it’s a female. It is demeaning, though.

            It was just announced that Jennifer Wilmott has a full case load throughout the summer and has asked for a continuance until 2014. They also intend to bring back Alyce LaViolette and Patricia Womack, etc. who will vouch for Jodi Arias and tell the new jury how they were treated.

          • Mnavratilova

            How many men do you know who choose Wonder Woman as their avatar? A lot of women post similar filth.

            Good I hope they do bring those guys in, your wish will come true.
            I’m not sure about the continuance though, a lot can happen in those months.

          • Robert R

            Yes, the women are heavily involved and even more venemous to other women. So many women are advocating death and even torture in this case.

            The response is the judges will try to work together to free Jennifer Wilmott up and make the Arias case a priority. This ties in with reports of the tremendous case loads of the AZ public defenders. The efforts fo speed up the process of getting cases to trial only adds to those case loads, and much of it is due to the spike in death penalty cases there.

          • Mnavratilova

            Soon it’ll be just Juan, Sherry, and Arpaio who will be on the outside, everyone else in. America houses 25% of world’s prisoner population, the way it’s going it’s inevitable that one day there will be more prisoners than regular folks. Who will do the supervision? Who will grow our food? Perhaps we’re focusing on the wrong end here, maybe we should look a little closer to the front of the chain, perhaps we should explore causes? Just an idea

          • Robert R

            I can make the criticism that now is the most opportune time to make that exact subject a serious national issue if not now then When, exactly? It is a National disgrace.

            The poster who makes a point, receives a counter-point, and then goes back to his original point over and over. The poster who keeps wanting to change the subject to a liberal vs. conservative debate and wants to discuss every unrelated issue, even though we are on a world-wide web, and there are countless sites where those debates can be had. Very temporarily Fuming now.

          • Mnavratilova

            As you said, 90% of the population is one side here, hardly related to any political affiliations. I recommend a chianti :)

          • Robert R

            I like the people who say “I do / don’t believe in the death penalty, I know HLN is making a mockery, but I still feel the guilty verdict is correct because of A,B,C.” I have no problem discussing the facts with such people, with one exception.
            The attention seeker is getting the attention he seeks. I am seeking a chianti.

          • Mnavratilova

            I personally love the people who say: I’m against the death penalty but in this case… Imo, if there is a “but” in your sentence then you are not against it.
            Affirmative on the last part.
            I’m getting bitch-slapped by your pen pal now LOL.
            Are you finding the beauty of the grape?

          • Robert R

            I wish I could say yes about the grape. I want to see the an end put to the death penalty. The way I see it, it is an unfortunate fact for the time being. So even under the facts, this case in no way merits the death penalty.

            He was in heaven yesterday, as everyone wrote back, even Jason.

          • Mnavratilova

            I do too. I was watching the Towery thing last night again, I’ll have to continue 2nite, can only handle that in increments, appalling.

            First thing that struck me was the cage, I don’t even have the words to describe what I feel about that.

            Aside of course from all the innocent people convicted, this guy should be the poster child for the abolition of the death penalty. Where are all the people who are responsible for his pain and what he has subsequently become? Are any of them punished? His story is horrendous. His story speaks to the universal law of cause and effect.

            There was a big part missing audio wasn’t there? I just got the beginning of Martinez when I had to turn it off. This guy is a Shakespearean actor with absolutely no understanding of mental illness or socioeconomic problems. This, if he had it, would not be at odds with seeking justice for a prosecutor. I wonder do you know if he was involved in the original case? He’s been with the prosecutor’s office for 25 years and Towerey had served 20 at this time??
            He has the same MO always. Here he slams the psychiatrist and stops short of calling him a liar. The doctor in this case was very competent as well, he was a marine and has all kinds of experience, oozes with credibility imo. The only usual shot in his arsenal he didn’t use was that he was a hired gun, but I’m just at the beginning, so let’s see.

            One thing made me feel good, I felt all the lawyers advocating for Towery had a lot of compassion, the way they periodically went up to the cage and spoke to him was a sign of humanity, there are good people around.

          • Robert R

            Sympathy and empathy come from understanding reality. Juan Martinez understands only his own personal reality, so he neglects causality including seeing how his own actions assist in perpetuating a problem.

            The cage got my attention also, Juan glanced in there a time or two, as if looking at an alien or an evil snorting unicorn.

            I saw Towery’s notes and doodles. He really shows humanity and even humor in his final days. It is easier to feel for Arias, who has no behavior before or since the killing that shows the propensity for such an act. But Towery, who was executed six days after the hearing, is able to spend 20 years on death row and still show why the real barbarians live outside the cage,

            Juan wasn’t involved in the original case, but he was quck to volunteer to see it through to it’s conclusion. So proving your case and the appropriate punishment is now akin to loudly persuading a group of yokels that you are right, because I say so. Kind of like selling PPL. Now we are in a world where up is now down and left is now right.

            Bring on the chianti.

          • Mnavratilova

            This is really beside the point but I had this urge to hug him, not so for Arias. I do feel a lot of empathy for her and my position on all that is clear, but he’s different. I know what he did and the fact that it was an elderly friend who helped him makes it all the more macabre. But for me the thing I see and cannot get past is that I see a victim in front of me, a victim of the worst crimes. While she doesn’t have the same patterns of behavior, she didn’t appear to be subjected to the same torture as a child, and that makes sense in conjunction with their behaviors.

            I see what you see when I look at Juan.

          • Mnavratilova
          • Robert R

            Yes, I did. And it only makes sense that the guilt jury should not be limited to death qualified, while the penalty jury can be. It makes a lot of sense and it shows Jason’s point in a way I didn’t understand it before.

          • Mnavratilova

            I think it makes sense while there is a death penalty, in the mean time so to speak, though I think what Gagic says is true; it will be overturned it’s inevitable.
            I can see the argument against this two jury system already: it’s too expensive…

            I did see that vid, hysterical.

          • James Cageby

            Arizona’s law regarding retrial of the penalty phase has already been appealed to the state supreme court and upheld. Try gain.

          • Mnavratilova

            I was not talking about the death penalty phase nor was I talking about the STATE Supreme Court

          • Robert R

            Ha Ha. Don’t fight on the sabath, now M.

          • Mnavratilova

            Lord have mercy!

          • James Cageby

            Then what is it you insist will be overturned? You think the SCOTUS is going to hear any appeal of Arias? Come on.

          • Mnavratilova

            the death penalty itself

          • James Cageby

            Arias has not received a DP. But if she did, where is the appellate issue?

          • Mnavratilova

            I just finished telling you that the issue was the penalty itself. IFF Arias gets it, any future ruling on this would affect her as well. ps. She has plenty of appellate issues

          • James Cageby

            Could you enlighten me to this issues? I’m sure the judge would be interested as well.

          • Mnavratilova

            There have been many issues mentioned on this blog, just as a glaring example, to humor you, here is the one I have already posted, which evidently you didn’t read very carefully:

            http://www.azcriminallawsexcrimes.com/violent-crimes/why-the-felony-murder-allegation-against-jodi-arias-is-nonsense/

            Enlightening you is mission impossible lol

          • James Cageby

            Jason’s musings are rampant with erroneous information. The felony murder arguments made by Team Jodites was debunked before it got off the ground.

            “The fact that a defendant might have been convicted of first-degree murder based on felony murder liability may be a mitigating circumstance in determining whether the death penalty is appropriate.”

            http://www.azcourts.gov/ccsguide/MitigatingCircumstances/FELONYMURDERLACKOFINTENT.aspx
            .

            http://news.smashpipe.com/?f=AE3oVvSi2Qs

          • Mnavratilova

            They don’t have to hear her case in particular. Ruling that the penalty violates the 8th amendment is enough and would apply to her as well as all the others, regardless how it gets there.

          • James Cageby

            SCOTUS has already ruled on cruel & unusual punishment regarding DP in the 1972 Furman v. Georgia. Then in 1976, Supreme Court decisions in Gregg v. Georgia reaffirmed the United States Supreme Court’s acceptance of the use of the death penalty.

          • Mnavratilova

            Do you think this was the terminal station?

          • James Cageby

            Terminal station? Is that MSNBC?

          • Robert R

            I guess barbecuing a woman in an outdoor cage was appealed to the state supreme court too, but was also upheld.

          • James Cageby

            Was that a Texas, Louisiana, or St. Louis style bar-b-que?

          • Robert R

            Did you see this one that Jason posted? It’s a hoot, and sadly, true.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdgmZ5ex4E

        • Lara

          Jodi Arias using BWS and DV as an excuse to murder a human being is revolting. It is what is “demeaning to all women.” Also lying about pedophilia has got to be something even more repulsive than Jodi’s labia and gaping anus.

          • Mnavratilova

            You obviously didn’t understand my statement. Let me clarify it for you: my comment, which was not to you, stated that your post makes me ill. I have absolutely no intention of having a discussion with you. Respect that and MOVE ON!

          • stephan pililian

            Please don’t go ballistic on me, but your preoccupation with somebody else’s genital area is very unhealthy.

          • Robert R

            Battering a woman which was strongly indicated at trial and DV (sexual, mental, and emotional abuse) which was proven, is revolting for a church leader to use on a woman while chasing the good Mormon women who just didn’t float his boat the way Jodi could. Maybe Travis’ sister also had a gaping anus from Travis when they were little. Maybe Travis had a gaping anus from his neglectful and abusive father, the meth addict.

            It all started in Travis’ bedroom and it ended there. Travis had a real strange way of “Cherishing The Right” aka using the Mormon church and Jodi for his own purposes, while not giving a hoot about his responsibilities to either.

          • Mnavratilova

            Here’s another LDS leader “cherishing” the tenets of the Latter Day Saints:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukrc2OUQnWw

          • Robert R

            Funny, that is just what I was thinking about….let’s look at this. Thanks, M.

          • Robert R

            Policeman – LDS church leader – position of trust – sexual interest in prepubescent children – authority figure. But Travis? Oh no. Not Travis. That’s impossible. There’s no police report about that.

          • Mnavratilova

            Well this report was only filed by accident when Homeland Security was undercover investigating child pornography, this guy was never under suspicion per se. He also went for decades undetected. So just because you’re not caught at the budding start of your “hobby” and hence no record exists, does not mean you in fact have no hobby. How much you wanna bet this guy’s computer is clean?

          • Robert R

            Clean as a whistle. Clean as the sacred undergarments.
            Oh, this sounds just too familiar:

            “This pathetic and desperate attempt by the Mormon Church’s hired guns to absolve persistent pedophile “Brother” Frank Curtis of legal, moral and religious responsiblity for his sins of sexual predation (since he had been rebaptized and therefore was supposedly immunized from accountablity) is fundamentally undercut by Mormon doctrine itself.”

            “Not that that fact matters one whit to the Mormon Church.”

            “Worse than that, the fact that the Mormon Church would even attempt a defense of this perennial pervert is absolutely despicable.”

            “Mormon Church leaders knew that Frank Curtis had a habitual need to molest young boys, yet they continued to place him in positions where he had access to more victims.”

          • Mnavratilova

            Get a hold of this:
            “In court, the lawyers [for the LDS] argued that church leaders had a constitutional right to exercise their faith through the “clean slate” doctrine and that the court couldn’t examine their beliefs. Essentially,that meant that the claim [by the victims] that [the church] had a responsibility to warn parents was a violation of their right to practice their religion.”

            Furthermore:

            “Almost every state has a clergy-penitent law. It’s designed for
            confession, because we as a society believe that people have a right to unburden our sins to a religious leader without fear, and that’s what it’s for. But this comes into play when the LDS Church argued that pretty much any conversation with anyone in the church had clergy-penitent privilege.”

            Did you know that the church is the largest single sponsor of the BSA? They own the boy scouts of America!

          • Robert R

            No, I didn’t. I didn’t see this post until now, either. I think the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church are starting to look like mirror images. I’m right there with the sister wives on the show “Big Love”.

            I need to earn my Travis Alexander Memorial Chastity Merit Badge.

          • Rob

            What is your definition of DV? I’m not asking specifically. Just a general assessment.

      • Lara

        You misread my comment completely. You blame Travis for getting himself murdered for being a “bad Mormon”–or whatever. I asked if you also are OK with a prostitute getting raped because she has no morals. Learn to read before exploding into a diatribe.

        • Robert R

          You’re right, I misread your comment. However, the rest of my comment still stands.

      • James Cageby

        Arias didn’t sell her sex; she just used it as a weapon. We know she grew weed for personal use. Arias was much experienced in backdoor behavior long before she met T. Arias had the same due process provided to all accused defendants. None of her Constitutional rights were denied and she even waived her 6th Amendment right to a speedy trial. She had four years to prepare for trial. The state spent more than $2.3 million on her defense.

        • Robert R

          The state took 4 years to go to trial, the same as for Wendi Andriano. Backdoor behavior was Travis’ preference as he was probably abused by his dad or turned to his sisters in his distress. Growing weed is the normal experimentation of a typical 14-year old, it’s called growing up.

          Calling the police on your 14 year-old daughter is not typical parenting. It’s called being a Juan Martinez ie inhuman A-hole..

          Why did Arias want to join the Mormon church? Because she wanted structure, something Travis should have tried. Travis got his due process, because he tampered with a defective Cuisinart and got duly processed. The state is insisting on the death penalty, thus the length and expense of the trial.

          The state chose not to seek the death penalty for Angela Simpson who lured a man in a wheel chair, forced him to watch in a mirror for 3 days as she choked hime, beat him, pulled his teeth out, and hammered a 3 inch nail into his brain. She then dismembered him and threw him in a trash can. She said she had zero remorse and she said he had it coming. She dared AZ to seek the death penalty.

          AZ did not bother to seek the DP for her, so I guess it’s a selective or political decision. Go figure…..

          • James Cageby

            The state did not take 4 years. Arias delayed the trial. The state put their case on in two weeks. Arias’ defense took 3 months.

            You have no clue about T’s preference or any sexual abuse by his parents. You can take that “probably” caveat and apply it to anyone.

            Where were his previous girlfriends called to the stand to testify that he was into the backdoor?

            Why did Arias want to be a wicken, a Budhist, follow The :Law of Attraction, a Mormon, etc, etc. She is a bona fide flake.

            Arias never grew up as her emotional state was stunted at 14. All teenage girls grow weed on the roof their parents’ home ? Really?

            Why are you hung up on the DP? The last women in AZ to be executed occurred in 1930. Save the drama.

          • Robert R

            The state’s case in chief that you say took two weeks did nothing except prove that a killing occured and that Jodi Arias committed it. These are things we already knew at the start of the trial.

            The state’s flimsy case of premeditation occured in the course of the defenses case. Remember?

            Travis Alexander liked to put it in her butt exclusively, which was clearly not Arias’ preference. We know from research that the most likely abuser both sexually and psychologically is a person who was the victim of the exact same thing. We do know that Travis and his siblings were subjected to serious neglect and abuse by their meth addicted parents.

            Previous girlfriends would not let him stick it in their butts. so he just violated them or had oral sex, if he could.

            Jodi Arias was searching for a religion she felt comfortable with. That is typical of millions of Americans. Mormonism is patriarchal, and values family, fidelity, and business success. All things that Jodi aspired to.

            All 14 year-olds experiment. All except for you when you were 14?, if you can remember.

            Maybe I am hung up on the DP because it is not warranted in this case and there is no precedent under these facts. But you don’t want to touch that question. The other reason is that the length and expense of the trial and now the re-trial for the penalty is all due to the state seeking the death penalty and for no other reason.

          • James Cageby

            I defer to your knowledge of all things regarding 14 year-old girls. Why are you hung up on T’s sexual antics? How is that relevant to this case?
            In your opinion JM didn’t prove Arias murdered T in a premeditated fashion. The jury and a majority of legal experts disagree. I guess you can pine away for the women, but the facts speak for themselves.

            “Millions” of Americans do not wind up murdering their ex boyfriend during this search for a religion. Arias aspired to getting her way. Quit superimposing your fantasy female attributes on her.
            Each case is separate from another. The SCOUTS doesn’t have a problem with this being a DP case.

          • Robert R

            That’s the point. 14 year-old girls do all sorts of things. The idea that everyone likes to bring up what she did at age 14 and in an interrogation room after the crime tells me something. It tells me that they have to look at these things becasue there is nothing to look at or talk about in the months prior to the crime. That’s the time frame that is relevant.

            Travis’ sexual antics, besides revealing a serious breach in his sworn tenets, shows you who is the dominant and who is the submissive. Who is getting what they want and who is submitting to whom. Who is running the show and who is agreeing to it,. It’s sexual abuse and it is key to understanding what happened on June 4th.

            The case as presented in court led to a decision of 1st degree premeditated murder. That is a proper decision. What I’m saying is that it was an unfair trial for numerous reasons. In a fair trial, a much different conclusion could be reached.

            Your logic is contorted. Arias’ search for a religion she wanted to build into her life has relevance. The Mormon church is more and more revealing itself to be known particularly for lying to people with impunity, telling people what they want to hear, and ignoring important truths ans significant problems in their ranks. Arias was genuinely played by this and she doesn’t like being played.

            I would not be so sure about the Supreme Court. Reversible error means that something occured that could lead to a different result in the trial had the error not occured. The idea put into the jury’s minds that the gun must have been last is just such an error. It’s simply not true and it defies logic, reason, and the physical evidence at the crime scene.

            The idea that the gun must be last and the autopsy photos are all you need to find Arias guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder. You don’t need Martinez and you don’t need all the drama. Without the idea that the gun must be last, you have reasonable doubt.

          • James Cageby

            Reasonable doubt has zero to do with the prosecution proving every conceivable aspect of a crime. The jury was free to decide for themselves if the shot was last or first. The order does not preclude M1. But judging by the evidence at the scene, the shot was definitely last. Arias would have continued to shoot if she fired before stabbing, cutting, slitting, stabbing.

            Arias search for a religion? Where do you get this pablum? Did you know Arias when she was on the outside? Mormonism had zero to do with this case. In fact, at the behest of Arias, her defense wanted to put it front and center and it backfired.

            We all saw Arias on T’s lap in the video of him telling a story about the prospect of him being murdered. Arias had no problem yawning and acting totally annoyed during this story. An odd sort of behavior for someone you say is subservient to T.

            What is a “fair” trial? Simpson’s attorneys claimed OJ didn’t get a fair trial even after the not guilty verdict.

          • Robert R

            She was tired and it had been a long day. It’s that simple.

            Proving every conceivable aspect? Why did the prosecutor add 1st degree felony murder as a fall-back charge if he proved so conclusively it was 1st degree pre-meditated murder?

            You have a habit of going around and around in a circle. The Mormon religion is key to understanding what happened and it is one reason the death penalty is still being sought stubbornly. I used to really admire this religion. What I have seen lately is most foul.

            A fair trial means evidence wasn’t manipulated as the gun must be last in this case and the “syringe filled with battery acid” in another case. Both are false and Martinez was involved in both cases.

            Simpson got a fair trial and he scored on both his wife and the waiter. He was GAS, guilty as sin.

          • Mnavratilova

            Statements by justices Ryan and Horowitz in the Gallardo case, an oral argument that was before the Arizona supreme court: “Where Justice Horowitz was aking about the conduct of the trial prosecutor in that case, the prosecutor being Juan Martinez, and he asked: ‘Short of reversing a conviction, how is it that we can stop this inappropriate comment?’
            Justice Ryan, who was a former county prosecutor, a superior court judge, a judge on the court of appeals and a justice on the Arizona supreme court said: ‘I recollect this prosecutor from several cases, this same prosecutor has been accused of fairly serious misconduct but ultimately we decided it did not rise to the level of requiring a reversal.’ he went on to say: ‘There is something about this prosecutor, Mr. Matinez.’”
            Robert Towery Clemency Hearing, March 2012

          • Robert R

            Yes, and there is “something about” a State that finds no one needs to be held acountable for the barbecued prisoner left in an ouside cage in 100 degree weather with no shade or water for four hours.

            None of these fine decision makers would leave there own dog in such a circumstance but…… hey …. muh dog was not convicted of no nothin’ nohow!

          • Mnavratilova

            Well there is one mormon who strapped his to the roof of his car I heard, so…

          • Robert R

            It was a practical mathematical decision that failed to take into account that the animal was a living being

          • Mnavratilova

            I can’t even imagine that. What would go through your mind if that were your child?

          • James Cageby

            That’s what Arias said to JM. Circles for Team Jodites is code for “don’t confuse the issue with facts.”
            There was no manipulation of evidence. There is no way that Arias would not have emptied the magazine on T if she was shooting him at the outset. I know you believe Arias’ absurd sci-fi story that T went into a rage because she dropped his camera two feet onto a bathmat, but that you also believe T charged at her when she was pointing a pistol at him and then she dropped it after firing one shot makes for an SNL skit.
            Prosecutors have the prerogative to charge the defendant and give the jury options. Nurmi got the judge to add manslaughter as an option. Now that is ridiculous considering Arias’ total defense was justified homicide.

          • Robert R

            Really? How does an option of felony murder relate to the evidence presented? 7 jurors found BOTH premed and felony. Under these facts, it cannot be.

            Travis was minutes away from being on his way to a PPL meeting. Jodi was minutes away from saying goodbye to Travis and heading to Utah. That is when arguments start. Not at the beginning of a reunion of two former partners.

            The camera is not a reason, but a trigger for flying off the handle over nothing, which is how many arguments erupt. Travis was shown at trial to fly into a rage over next to nothing.

            There are many reasons why only one shot was fired. i could say the same thing, why didn’t she empty the magazine into his dead body? One shot proves order in no way whatever.

          • James Cageby

            Well, there were boxes to check if a juror found both felony and premed. Apparently, you have problem with the form as well as the jurors.

            Arias kept her journey to Arizona a secret. Remember? She was already a day late to her rendezvous with a guy she only needed as a reason to be in Utah.

            T was “shown” in trial to “fly into a rage” Whom provided this testimony? Arias?

            She could have emptied the mag into his dead body. That proves the firearm was in working order. That T wasn’t moving, but possibly still alive, at the time she shot him is why only one shot.

          • Robert R

            Dan Freeman was one person to provide. Another person was Travis Alexander.

            Checking a standard form doesn’t prove anything. Both are possible under facts of a different case. How are both possible under the facts of this case? They are not.

            You can make a conclusion that Arias kept her journey to Arizona a secret. Another person can conclude that she made no phone calls and she didn’t make a purchase on her way to Travis’ house. That was what was proved. Your conclusion is just that.

          • James Cageby

            Actually, Arias proved her trip to AZ was planned to be a secret when she refused to admit she didn’t return the 3rd gas can to Wal-Mart. The only reason to lie and not concede the point is because that extra 5 gallons incriminates her and she knows it.

            What did Freeman testify to regarding seeing T’s temper? Please explain. But why did T testify to his temper? There was nothing demonstrating his temper in the sex tape or any written form of communication.

            What? Of course T was shot in the head. Remember Arias had the strength to drag T back to the shower. She had the strength to shoot T in the forehead.

            You see it’s all about the facts taken collectively. There is no other reasonable explanation taking all the evidence into account and come up with anything other than premeditated M1..

          • Robert R

            Jodi didn’t refuse to admit anything. She said she would be surprised if there was no record. There is no record, so she is surprised. Now, I want to know what her answer is to that? You are going around in circles again. You say it proves premeditation, I say it doesn’t. Not until she answers for the can and the gas in Utah. There are explanations for these.

            Why would she freely admit to two gas cans and deny a third? Any person will make contradictory statements and mistaken statements in one day on the stand. Arias was on 18 days. 10 gallons extra does not incriminate her any more than 15 gallons extra.

            Freeman testified that ALexander flew into a rage and a heated argument ensued in Travis’ bedroom between Arias and Alexander. Why? Because her back pack was too heavy, so Freeman dumped everything out on the kitchen table, including a big bottle of lube. Arias was annoyed and embarassed.

            Freeman probably had no idea what it was for. Alexander, on May 26, went on a 3 hour fit of rage continuously berating Arias and calling her all those names. Arias never returned a bad word and this was a three hour conversation. Of course you didn’t hear that testimony because Alyce LaViolette was the featured speaker and not the primary keynote speaker.

            The Freemans are Travis’ and Jodis’ friends and super devout Mormons. They are on a relaxing vacation. You would have to think they were toning it down because the Freemans were there. Imagine what would have happened if two witnesses weren’t there.

            Freeman testified that on the same trip, Arias and Alexander were not speaking to each other for a long time. Arias got out of the car. She said it was to use the bathroom in the woods. When she was finished, Alexander would drive away whenever she got close to the car as a joke. She stopped trying. Alexander refused to back up to her. She finally got into the car and Alexander said something seething in rage. Freeman said it was “over the top” for the situation.

            This is exactly the type of person who would charge out of the shower at Arias.

          • Robert R

            Travis Alexander was shot in the face, not the head. the bullet went through only the smallest part of his skull and brain. It only glanced the skull and brain. This is not a fatal wound or a rapidly incapacitating wound. Horn lied. He lied in a clever way because he used his knowledge of what typically happens when a person is shot straight into the temporal lobe.

            I’m not talking about strength. That trajectory is almost impossible to accomplish if he is lying on the floor. He was immobile, so even a five year old could shoot him in the head. How could she miss and shoot him in the face? It is more believable if he was moving: That he was shot from above while seated in the shower or shot from the side with his head tilted the way Arias said.

            I have taken all the facts collectively and it is inconclusive as to pre-meditation when I consider that the gun was first. It is only conclusive as to pre-meditation if you consider the gun must be last and you are viewing it through the lense of guilt.

            You say even if the gun was first, there is no reasonable doubt. If so, why does Martinez know there is reasonable doubt? Why did he have the testimony altered to make the gun last and why did he add the felony murder charge? What is the point of going on and on about Bobby Juarez, keynote speaker, christmas tree, Snow White, ring and fog?

          • James Cageby

            There is no record for the simple fact Arias had filled that Wal-Mart can with gas and used it on her clandestine trip to AZ. What is this poignant question to ask Arias that will make this lie go away? I’ll wait while you compose it. Again, it’s just another part of the mounting evidence of your gal’s premeditation to murder T.

            Darryl Brewer testified he gave her two of his 5 gallon cans. I suppose shoe could say he was lying, but then why would she call him as a witness in the penalty phase. Unless she was calling him as a lack of character witness.

            You have totally mischaracterized how Freeman recounted the day Arias had her bag emptied. All T did was bang his head against the closet door. Also, T wasn’t playing stop and go when Arias trailed after the car like a lost puppy. He just took off and she ran after the car.

            Your hilarious conclusion that this demonstrates “exactly the type of person who would charge out of the shower” is a perfect example of Arias flew. There is no evidence during their relationship of T having a short temper that erupted into violence against anyone. Try again. If this had even a modicum of truth, Arias’ hospital bills would rival the expense of her boob job.

          • Robert R

            You’re forgetting that Travis’ best talent is to hide his crap better than a house cat. Mormons have that special ability. Yes, there was a heated argument in Travis’ room when the bag was emptied. No, the head banging was a different incident recounted by Arias. Wrong, Travis played stop and go, then Arias squatted by the side of the road until he backed up. The important part is what happened in the car after that.

            The gas cans were never a secret. Brewer is a very good witness. That’s a big problem for the Jodi is evil crowd. Arias filled the cans in Utah, so I guess she was truthful about wanting to save money and not wanting to get stuck in the desert.

            The boob job was $300. Big deal. Gus Searcy testified that while he was with Arias, Travis was yelling and screaming at her over the phone. I never said anything about violence, but we know
            his self-hatred that was projected onto Arias and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors (especially with “grinding” Mormons: sex tape!). And all these things went on in Travis’ bedroom which then became the crime scene.

          • James Cageby

            In your bizarre world of logic all those who yell at their girlfriends are going to jump out of a shower and body slam them some day.

            Is that the same Darryl Brewer who said: “Jodi should never be allowed back into society.” You are right. He is credible.

            There are countless fuel stops on the highways Arias traveled into AZ. Unless she and Brewer went off road into the desert, or they had a gas gauge that didn’t work, there is zero reason to place gas cans in the trunk of your car in 120 degree AZ Summer. Come on. Even Ole Nurmi was backed into a corner when he had to deal with the 3rd gas can issue.

            Still waiting for that revealing question you would ask Arias about the 3rd gas can that would dissolve her lie about returning it………………….

          • Robert R

            Backed into a corner? Or Juan ran ou the time clock? A person who wants to project a wholesome fornt while hiding his loathsome acts. A person who allowed things that should have been stepping stones to become stumbling blocks did, and would erupt.

            I don’t think Jodi should be allowed back into society either. But I believe she should pay for her deed and she’s redeemable. I don’t think she should be tortured for life and / or killed.

            The gas cans in the car is not bright, but it is what they did do. It doesn’t answer why she filled up the cans in Utah if she was mission accomplished. You ignore the facts that you don’t want to deal with. At least i concede facts that are not in favor of the defense.

            You can wait years until the new trial for an answer. You may see something at the next penalty phase. This is all on camera and it’s on Youtube for everyone to see and judge. I don’t see how that farce trial can be allowed to stand. That’s a real danger for me and for you.

            Many arsonists join the Fire Dept, and Many sociopaths join the Police Department and many pedophiles become leaders od Scholols and Churches…….T.A. D.A.

          • Rob

            I see you mention Robert Towery here. Interestingly enough, Martinez was not the original prosecutor in this case but I thought I read someone commenting that original prosecutor had been sanctioned, disbarred..something for some kind of misconduct.

            Martinez was at The Towery Clemency hearing however.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQuXm505bs

            This is part 2. Part 1 is out there too.

            The interesting things here are the jury foreman speaking about how they should have not given him death, Martinez saying give him death Towery’s Sisters coming up to the podium unexpectedly to refute Martinez’s comment that there was no proof of child abuse. and a bunch of human rights people asking to commute him to life. And then the panel’s obvious decision. But listen to the reasons.

            One of Towery’s sisters actually blogged about why they went to the podium.

            http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/from-heartbreaking-child-abuse-to-pointless-execution/

            Her comment is the 1st one.

            Six days later they executed him.

          • Robert R

            Potato, potato, potato.
            I think it would be better to have people like McVeigh still in a supermax today as an example instead of a martyr for people who are really out there on the edge. Thanks for the info.

            After this Arias trial, I feel I am “in a world where up is now down and right is now left”, thanks to people who think and act like Juan Martinez.

          • Mnavratilova

            Not to mention that these people could help us in understanding the root causes, they could be studied.

          • Robert R

            Really good point Martina. So many of these people kill themselves at the crime (Lanza) or are killed (Dorner). Then we never learn something valuable that can help find these people before they light that fuse.We’re still waiting to find out what happened with Holmes and many people just want to execute him on the spot and then we never find out.

          • Mnavratilova

            Actually, Robert, I’m learning from you. I’m going to look into Buddhism now, a close friend of mine is from Taiwan, she’s got me going too.

          • Robert R

            Buddah said that before him there were “myriads of multi-millions of Buddhas”. The Diamond Sutra.

          • Mnavratilova

            If non-abidance is the central idea, I’m in. I hope Chianti, Bordeaux are not against the rules.

          • Robert R

            Do not cloud the mind, is what they say. I think that leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

          • Mnavratilova

            What clouds the mind is the question

          • Mnavratilova

            Statements by justices Ryan and Horowitz in the Gallardo case, an oral argument that was before the Arizona supreme court: “Where Justice Horowitz was aking about the conduct of the trial prosecutor in that case, the prosecutor being Juan Martinez, and he asked: ‘Short of reversing a conviction, how is it that we can stop this inappropriate comment?’Justice Ryan, who was a former county prosecutor, a superior court judge, a judge on the court of appeals and a justice on the Arizona supreme court said: ‘I recollect this prosecutor from several cases, this same prosecutor has been accused of fairly serious misconduct but ultimately we decided it did not rise to the level of requiring a reversal.’ he went on to say: ‘There is something about this prosecutor, Mr. Matinez.’”
            Robert Towery Clemency Hearing, March 2012

          • Mnavratilova

            Hung up on the DP? That’s a nutty question.

            Even if it is not obvious to you why it is so wrong for so many reasons, even if we ignore that, then the implications we are left with is than anyone who gets it will spend decades in solitary confinement, a cruel and unusual punishment by any meter stick, only to be eliminated just when they are ready to pass on to the next life through natural causes.

            “The degree of civilization in a society can be judged
            by entering its prisons.”
            Fyodor Dostoevsky

          • James Cageby

            Richard Ramirez, sentenced to death in 1986, just died in prison of natural causes. Have you toured American prisons?

            You need to read less Dostoevsky and more Solzhenitsyn .

          • Mnavratilova

            I’ve read Solzhenitsyn, what’s your point? You think he would have been on your side in this discussion? I think not

          • James Cageby

            I think he would definitely be on my side in our limited discussion about the Soviet Union. Soli wasn’t against punishment for criminals. Arias received due process and none of her Constitutional rights were denied.

          • Mnavratilova

            There was never a discussion of the Soviet Union here, as far as I’m aware. Perhaps you should read his work again, it was not so much political, your fave, as it was a statement about the human condition. If you think he would be on your side on anything you’ve posted here then, with all due respect, lay off the Moskovskaya Blondie!

          • James Cageby

            Sure there was. It was in the context of Oliver Stone and your interview comments with a Czech newspaper back around 1986.

            Tanqueray, actually.

          • Mnavratilova

            That’s exactly what I mean, I did not, am not, nor will I discuss any of that with you here, especially since you seem to think you have info which you most certainly do not have…
            Gin, ok

          • James Cageby

            Okey Dokey

          • Mnavratilova

            “Soli’s” main point was that it was the criminals who were in charge of the asylum, like Martinez or Governor Perry….

          • James Cageby

            We have a bureau of prions in the U.S. It isn’t headed up by JM or Gov. Perry.

            “The mission of the BOP is to protect society by confining offenders in the controlled environments of prisons and community-based facilities that are safe, humane, cost-efficient, and appropriately secure, and that provide work and other self-improvement opportunities to assist offenders in becoming law-abiding citizens.”

          • Mnavratilova

            No I have not toured American prisons, I don’t think they offer tours. But as I’ve said before, I don’t need to have prostate exam to know it sucks…

          • James Cageby

            Prions are supposed to suck. That’s why their prisons.

          • Mnavratilova

            I don’t think that’s the official function of prisons, prisons are supposed to house people to keep them away from society, I don’t think they are meant to be instruments of torture. Obviously you have different ideas

          • James Cageby

            Torture? With the ACLU on the loose? What are these acts of torture being committed behind the walls of America’s prisons?

          • Mnavratilova

            Oh I don’t know, why don’t you ask Bradley Manning?

          • James Cageby

            Bradley Manning is being tortured? Do you have some news breaking story?

          • Rob

            You forgot to mention AS set him on fire too.

          • Robert R

            Yes, that too. She is very thorough, tidy, and environmentally responsible. LOL

    • Rob

      She was convicted on shady charges and some questionable tactics. This raped prostitute that you say we all relish…A link to the post? And who is perfect? Nobody. This just didn’t happen with one party involved. This actually would make an awesome “Seconds from Disaster” documentary. You are right about the slaughter. Which makes me wonder. Was there a real fight? Maybe she didn’t give him a chance to choke her. I’ve seen a lot of murder 1 cases and this one just seems way to messy and brutal to be one. I’ll grant that there is no proof he was going to choke her out that day, but there is no proof that he wasn’t either.

  • Un Remarkable

    Damn, the entire post was deleted.

    Regardless, BK was a standout in ethics. This site is allegedly to expose a network. Yes, there are a few posts regarding things other than JA. If it’s an anti TA/CH, etc. site, fine.

    I wouldn’t post if the ignorant comment about BK becoming a member of the LDS Church hadn’t been made. That’s amazing to me, you can write that when the nature of ridiculous claims are the basis for this site.
    BK (throughout her career, JA wasn’t the best she had) was a reporter I didn’t like through the 3 or so yrs I watched In Session but I grew to respect. She was overly prepared, neutral, and extremely well versed on law in all trials I watched her cover. She isn’t employed now because there’s no reason for her to be when the company no longer has In Session. Somebody will pick her up soon.
    I like this site, appreciate the content. Agree with your stance on MMB. However, don’t entice me with fair journalism when you publish this gem. Sensationalism can’t cancel out sensationalism. Really, it make the site feel foolish. I want to be able to provide examples of expose sites and crap journalism (Occupy vs HLN) Not the same and the same.

    Crucify BK for her coverage of JA, fine. Don’t lump her entire career and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Give me 5 examples of bias throughout her career, I’ll reconsider. Thanks

  • ANDY K

    could you please redo these responses and comments in order they are sent,,,,seems the dates are all out of order…confusing to say the least…

    • Robert R

      Below where it says “Comments” there is a drop down menu which says “Best”. The comments are in order by the amount of “thunmbs up” they get. If you click on the arrow at the drop down menu, you can change that to “Newest”. Then the comments will be in order.

  • ANDY K

    i receive no responses directly to the comments i make even though I get emails saying I have responses…..seems like a waste of time for me…..good bye Rob…………..

    • Robert R

      It probably means you got a “thumbs up” or “thumbs down”. You shouldn’t give up so easily.

  • San Lewy

    Beth is best off leaving Ted Turner, Nancy Grace and their collection of networks behind her. TruTV is a national disgrace.

  • Justice

    Funny you claim she was a Prosecutorial Hawk when during the Tammi Peter Smith trial she was more of a Defense supporter. God only knows why…..in this case she wshould have been more for the Prosecution. Given all the evidence Tammi was guilty, but yet Beth seemed to have her back. For this reason, I really did not care for Beth and thought her judgement was way off. It appeared that she either did not research the case enough or supported the spotlight whore, Tammi Smith, because she would give her time to Beth and whomever would listen to her lies. The family of Gabriel Johnson, whom is still missing today, reserved their comments until after the trail. I am not a big Beth Karas supporter, but I highly disagree with the statements above. We all know people cohort with whom they need to to get the inside scoop. Isn’t that what reports jobs are after all. Their were other reporters on the show to keep the opinions bias and keep Beth in check. The inside story is needed in these cases. So, I do not feel Beth violated any boundaries, but more so did what she needed to get inside the story. You want to call someone out whom is bias, take a look at Vinnie Politan. He is more of a Prosecutorial Hawk then Beth, IMO! Just shows a woman will lose out to a man…way to go HLN.

  • Ptaylor

    Thank you Jason!!!

  • Michele dane

    Hi, I’ve contacted Kirk’s office with this information, He might already know. If he doesn’t, h does now.

  • Amia Sàys

    I found this link on google: https://www.facebook.com/occupyhln/posts/147162132141208 The exclusive but it won’t post.

  • Amia Sàys

    Shoot wrong post. But it’s the Juror one.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Cozied up to Jeff Ashton? How about Kauffman (?) One of the defense attorneys for Drew Peterson? I thought their bantering was lust for each other.

  • AquariusinAZ

    I’m sorry but this article seems like hogwash to me for several reasons:
    1) Beth Karas and HLN don’t have any influence over nor direct access to the people sitting on a trial jury. Hence the comment about this alleged “fraternization” being a cause for a mistrial is contrived. 2) Any news outlet has to engage in activities to get the story from different angles and HLN did provide the same opportunities they provided to Travis’ friends and family to Jodi Arias’ friends and family. Why else do you think Jodi’s friend Patti was presumably so afraid to testify in the end? Well, because she couldn’t wait to get on HLN to share her wedding pictures, high school pictures with Jodi, etc., share her pictures, details of her life, drug usage, etc. via social media, and then she blamed the backlash from Internet users on her inability to testify. Besides that, HLN also gave a voice to Jodi’s ex-jailmate, Donovan Bering, whom appeared several times to provide her point of view and we all know she’s the one who tweets on behalf of Jodi. The rest of Jodi’s family is only interested in profiting from the horrific crime she perpetrated by selling her art, as well as approaching the National Enquirer with the fake pedophilia letters they created and which were disallowed by the courts.
    3) We don’t know for a fact that Beth Karas “partied” with Travis’ friends. We simply see pictures at restaurants. That could just as well mean that they were having dinner at the same location. It doesn’t imply that they “partied” together.
    4) As a former prosecutor, I’m sure it is easier for Beth Karas to strike up a discussion/interaction with fellow prosecutors because of her background. It’s like veterans meeting on the job have an easier time relating to each other than to others whom don’t have that shared experience. Again, the pictures are just pictures, they don’t indicate that she leans toward a particular side or that she’s biased or engaged in inappropriate behavior.
    5) HLN is entertainment news and as such certainly benefits from the latest sensationalist trials. That much is true. Yet, as a smart viewer, you are able to discern the difference between serious news and entertainment news and choose which ones to follow. Perhaps, after a long day at work, the entertainment side is easier to swallow and then you take a look at the more serious news outlets afterwards. I know that’s what I did and I’m sure many other people have that capability.

    So, chill. As long as Beth Karas didn’t provide any bribes to the people she interacted with, there’s no proof whatsoever to support your allegations of impropriety. Your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Did it ever occur to you that Beth’s background and years of trial coverage may have priced her out of her job? Most of the other people on HLN, whom now host shows, are much younger and probably cheaper to sustain. Unfortunately, that’s reality for many people with a lot of valuable experience in the workplace these days.

  • Blondebomber

    Let’s stop these on air trials…next thing we know there will be kangaroo courts and public executions.

  • Robert R

    This weekend, Beth was back as a guest commentator on Nancy Grace. Just to be nostalgic, Nancy cut Beth off in the middle of her comment. It’s just like Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football. Beth, will you finally learn your lesson and not allow yourself to be disrespected???
    Beth, please stay off that insane witches’ show!

    • Mnavratilova
      • Robert R

        They got a stay of execution until Thursday, at least.

        • Mnavratilova

          Yes, I just saw thank you. What do you think they will do now that it’s just about the drugs? Do they plan to say they got them from a driving school?
          What do you think the reason is the supreme court doesn’t want’ to be involved in this?

          • Robert R

            I think the Supremes may yet sing on this issue. Hopefully there will be a more substantial delay. I hope you don’t get too emotionally invested in this. I think there is still a fight to be had here.

          • Mnavratilova

            Too late, luckily I don’t know very much about his case so I won’t be jumping off a bridge but still, this is horrible.
            This stay till Thursday doesn’t look that promising to me since it’s just about the drugs, they will shoot him if they have to I’m sure.
            The Supremes really should step up to the plate

          • Robert R

            He killed someone and then he killed his cell mate with nails driven through a board. Texas has executed many people, guess which color on the magical borderline of 70 IQ. No one has stopped them, but people have groused about it a bit. Texas is the Costco wholesale center of executions.

          • Mnavratilova

            Yes he killed his girlfriend and the cell mate, in his sleep. I know it’s terrible but this guy shouldn’t be in jail in the first place, these guys should be in a mental facility. Can you imagine what it must be like to be in prison if your IQ is 70? This is what Damian Echols said, he said that death row is full of mentally ill people. Now if this society doesn’t see a problem with that then why not just sterilize mentally ill or challenged people, like Hitler? Nobody wants to see the streets full of dangerous people but we have to decide whether it’s morally right to punish people who don’t even get it in the first place, or if we just want to keep them away from the public. You heard about the guy in Arkansas that wanted to save his dessert for later? The desert from his last meal..

          • Robert R

            Yes, some severely mentally ill or mentally challenged people can be a danger to others and if this is the case, jail is not the appropriate setting for no other reason than a prison environment breeds and inspires mental illness. What about the Arkansas guy?

          • Mnavratilova

            He was executed under Clinton, also mentally retarded (not Clinton). I’ll try and find the story, I can’t remember where I saw it now.

  • Blizzy Berg

    That picture is photoshopped dude!

  • Fran

    Is HLN still airing trials? Haven’t seen anything but news mush in months.

  • Jennifer

    BRING BACK BETH KARAS , SHE WAS THE BEST PERSON ON THERE , MATER OF FACT GIVE HER NANCY GRACES SPOT !!!!!;)
    “Arn’t we SICK TO DEATH of her yet” ??? Give me a VERY LARGE BRAKE !!!! She BUGS ME, (get over yourself NANCY) & Did anyone else think that her DIVOTION TO RONALD CUMMINGS was completely OVER THE TOP & DOWN right STRANGE ?……
    ( We could ALL SEE THROUGH that SCUM BAG ) Why couldn’t NANCY ???…I have never noticed her acting as STRANGELY as she did when she was in Ronalds presents? ( what in the WORLD was UP with that whole case )??? PUT HER UP !!!!!!! lol
    Just saying ! :-[ lol lol lol

  • Louise

    Would you be so down on Beth Karas if she were partying with the defense? I suspect not.why shoukd it matter to anyone what she did in her free time. Does CNN own her, like a slave? She was the best reporter in Court TV and CNN is diminished by her absense.

  • HappyAsALark

    occupyhln loves the likes of jean who never met a murderer she didn’t like. goes to them like moths to flames. she’s a ratingswhore.

    it’s really difficult to take jean serious when you know this is the real jean…

    http://www.youtube . com/watch?v=IY3n5WjbQIY

  • donna smith

    I miss Beth Karas on HLN reporting, which I thought was excellent. I would even stop anything if I saw she was going to be reporting on a case. She is so knowledgeable on everything that she is covering. There is never a question that she couldn’t answer in these long and overbearing trails!!! Please come back to the viewers !!!