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Premeditation: Why First Degree Murder Will Never Happen

Martinez Bullying Jodi

Martinez Bullying Jodi Arias – Click to enlarge

Many people watch Nancy Grace say “she STABBED him 27 times!  She’s guilty” and immediately draw the conclusion that Jodi Arias is guilty of First Degree Murder without having a clue what First Degree Murder is.  So this post will break down what First Degree Murder entails, and I’ll explain why it’s not even a possibility.

There are two ways one can be convicted of First Degree Murder: (1) the murder occurred during the commission of a felony, or (2) the murder was premeditated.

Option 1 – Felony Murder

Let’s just make this short and sweet.  There was no fake stolen gun, so there was no felony.  The gun that was stolen from her grandfather‘s house was NOT the only item stolen.  BUT HLN WON’T REPORT THIS.  There was also cash, a stereo, and a DVD player stolen from the house that evening.  Did Jodi plan on dancing to music in the family room after the murder?  This is utterly ridiculous!  Nobody knows where the weapons are, so they have never been tested for forensics.  Without this, it is only a speculation

The law proscribes that you don’t view the world from the lens of guilt, but from the lens of innocence.  I cannot make the leap of logic from there was a stolen gun — she stole the gun so she could use this gun to kill him, without any corroborating evidence.  It is not too much of a coincidence.  It’s simply unproven.  There was zero evidence except for the lack of evidence at the grandparents‘ house to show she stole the items.  So because the police can’t solve the case, we are supposed to assume a two birds with one stone mentality? 

Another question I have with Rock Star’s theory is why he is allowed to claim this?  He isn’t charging her with this crime, she has never been convicted of this crime, and there was no evidence presented supporting her guilt.  How is it that a prosecutor is allowed to claim an unproven, uncharged crime is proof of another alleged, charged crime?

Verdict:  Not Guilty of Felony Murder

Option 2 – Premeditation

Sugar Sherry Stephens

Sugar Sherry Stephens – Sweet to Juan – Click to enlarge

Now there’s the often-talked about subject of premeditation.  Premeditation is defined as the contemplation of a crime well enough in advance that you can reflect upon the thought and deliberately continue with your intent to commit the crime.  Premeditation cannot and should never be proven with a mere speculation, assumption, or inference.   All of Rock Star Juan’s claims of premeditation are circumstantial.  Since circumstantial evidence is fair game in American courts, let’s break down some of his key points.

The circumstantial case for premeditation

  • Jodi rented a car away from her home so she’d go unnoticed.

Is this so?  She rented it in her own name and she also took it with her on the rest of her trip; she didn’t switch cars and things like that.  So, other people saw her in a white car later, including a police officer. And she had an alibi on the trip, in a sense.  She was late.  Leslie Udy said that she was worried about her.  She was unaccounted for.

  • She turned the license plate upside down. 

There is no proof when this happened and it really makes absolutely no sense that this was part of her plan.  If anything, this would make somebody more likely to be noticed.  I’m not saying skateboarders did this, but skateboarders do carry screwdrivers with ‘em everywhere they go.  And if she flipped her license plate over in Arizona, how did she make it past the Hoover Dam checkpoint?  This just doesn’t make sense, and it’s definitely nothing a jury can say means premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. 

  •  Jodi dyed her hair so she’d look different.

If women are guilty of premeditation for dying their hair, Janine Driver, Dr. Drew Pinhead’s fake body language expert, would be on death row along with millions of other Americans.  There is no proof she dyed her hair other than the testimony of the rental car man.  If I have to juxtapose the testimony of one man to all the rest of the evidence — including photographs that show her with no blonde hair –  I’m going to come down on the side with corroboration.  And speaking of the rental car guy, just because he said he saw (what he described as) “Kool-Aid stains”, which can be incriminating, doesn’t mean he is right.  And these mystery stains were never tested for blood, but even if they tested positive for blood, we know Jodi killed Travis.  It’s a matter of premeditation, and I see no proof of premeditation from any of this hogwash.

  • Jodi purchased gas cans and had ‘em filled up.

This is another prosecution red herring.  It’s a fact that many people take gas cans when they travel through the desert.  Is it safer to go into the desert with no way out or to go into the desert with a combustible way out?  If I drove through the desert, I’d probably carry some gas with me.  Did she return the can?  I have been to Walmarts numerous times.  They are fast and loose with the rules like any other major store chain.  You can return items with no receipt and get items with no documentation put down.  It happens, I’ve seen it with my own eyes.  If you do the math, like Juan Martinez wants you to, with two gas cans and a car tank, you can come out with that amount, just like if it were a car tank and three gas cans.  So this red herring is nothing more than somebody being safe when driving through the desert.  Let us remember that Jodi’s ex-boyfriend, Darryl, taught Jodi to fill up gas cans before driving through the desert.  Besides, Rock Star says she bought the cans so she wouldn’t have to fill up and leave a trail near Travis. How is going to a gas station and paying with cash going to leave a trail? I don’t buy it.

Perhaps a better question is why didn’t Martinez ask Jodi while she was on the stand if her intent was to use the gas cans so there was no paper trail?  The answer?  Sneaky prosecution tactics.  Juan was afraid.  He knew the answer wouldn’t be what he wanted it to be.  So what did he do?  He waited until closing arguments, where nobody can rebut his claims and the jury can further buy into his circumstantial case of premeditation.

  •  Jodi turned off her cell phone in Arizona.

Is this incriminating or did she really just lose charge?  I’m unsure, but I hardly think that someone can know beyond a reasonable doubt that someone who has their cell phone off is definitely incriminating.  Remember to see the case through the lens of innocence.  And on a side note, many people talk and text while driving, but there are also many people who turn their cell phones off while driving to avoid distractions. There is just simply no proof that Jodi intentionally turned her cell phone off to avoid detection. Refer to what I said about premeditation — it cannot be proven with a mere speculation, assumption, or inference.

 The Physical Evidence of Premeditation

Martinez Histrioinics

Juan Martinez and his histrionics – Click to enlarge

This is most damning for Rock Star Juan, and it’s the reason he tried to mention it as little as possible.  The physical evidence at the scene obviously indicates a struggle ensued.  Had this been premeditated, we know Travis had his back to Jodi and she could have done the deed there.  She could have done it in his sleep.  Did she really want to physically fight him before running into a closet to grab a gun that she’s barely tall enough to reach?  I find this very difficult to believe. 

If Jodi has a 119 IQ like Tot Doc Janeen DeMarte testified with her 3 years of experience, then Jodi is far above average intelligence.  This being the case, she surely had about a 70 IQ and was basically retarded when premeditating this crime, if you want to believe Rock Star Juan. 

Would she really throw a cup of water on the crime scene — which, if she premeditated it, wouldn’t have been much of a scene — and then call it a wrap?  Besides, cleaning up a crime scene is post-act, which doesn’t prove premeditation.  So who really cares if she threw a cup of water or whatever on the blood?  She put her camera in a washing machine.  Well, that proves that she was scared of getting caught for what she had done, but it has nothing to do with premeditation.  Again, this is post-act and has nothing to do with premeditation.

Rock Star mentioned little of the physical evidence because he realized that there is nothing about the physical evidence that proves premeditation.  They don’t even know if the gun shot was first or last.

Verdict:  Not Guilty of Premeditated Murder

Final Verdict: Not Guilty of First Degree Murder

Rock Star Juan overcharged her because it’s a high profile case and he wanted all the fame and glory that comes with winning high profile cases, just like Jose Baez.  But let’s be real here.  Juan is no Jose Baez.  Sorry. 

Is Jodi evil? I personally don’t think so. I think that either she was demeaned and verbally and emotionally abused and with her Borderline Personality Disorder or Battered Women’s Syndrome, snapped and couldn’t take it anymore.  Or she could have been physically attacked by Travis, as we know Travis was abusive with ex girlfriends in the past.  But I think she got tired of being used, abused, and discarded into the trash like a piece of garbage.  

Regardless of what happened, one thing is for sure.  She’s not guilty of First Degree Murder, as felony murder and premeditated murder cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

What are your thoughts?  Leave your comment(s) below!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1215290544 Susan Nunes

    No, it was self-defense. She wasn’t “fed up” because she was moving on to another relationship. It was Travis who was pissed off.

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      Maybe … I just know it’s not Murder 1.

      ~ Jason

    • Claude L

      You thought it was self-defense? He ran backwards into her knife 27 times? All she needed to do was stab him once and run if she felt threatened by him. He was the victim of abuse and she deserves death.

      • Marlene Marshall

        I believe the accidental shot came first (granted, she should never have gone for the gun), he REALLY got ticked off, threw her to the ground, she grabbed the knife that might have been conveniently right next to her on the floor, next to the duct tape he cut off his upper arm before going into the shower (see labeled yellow crime scene markers); hence, the shallow knife wounds on his back … created while she was trying to get him off of her. Because of his then proclaimed rage, it developed into self defense. Rage and adrenalin were provoked in both. So very, very, sad. Both were people who deserved to live fruitful lives in spite of their humanly errors.

  • Alessi

    My own thoughts about carrying extra gas and/or turning phone off when travelling a long way through the desert:

    Personally, if I was driving a long way through sparsely populated, inhospitable terrain I would carry petrol – enough for whatever ‘worst case scenario’ that I could think of.
    I would also turn my phone off because I wouldn’t want to waste the charge as that might mean not being able to call for help if I got stuck somewhere.

    To me this suggests that a person is frightened that they will break down or run out of petrol while driving a long way alone through inhospitable territory. It is easy to see why someone would do this.

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      Agreed, mate. I’m just saying, the gas cans are a red herring — just meant to (pun intended) add fuel to a fire that’s not there. I actually talked to a college friend who told me that it’s done all the time around there.

      The cell phone could be what you said, or some people turn it off, or she did run out of charge … that’s more than reasonable doubt. There’s no proof she intentionally turned it off to avoid cell phone tower detection. That’s Rock Star Juan / HLN propaganda spin.

      ~ Jason

    • Itiswhatitis

      JA made the trip to visit TA many times driving across “inhospitable terrain”. If it was her habit to exercise such caution by carrying gas cans and turning off her cell phone, she and her defense would have presented cell phone records and receipts to prove such a theory. But they didn’t because it’s not true in this case. So the one time she uses gas cans and cuts off her cell phone, the state’s evidence supports that it’s on the trip that she took to murder TA. I assure you that if this was her regular habit to exercise caution, she wouldn’t be borrowing and buying gas cans, and the defense would provide her receipts to refute the state’s evidence.

      • Marlene Marshall

        But, remember, she was also gong on to Utah in the middle of the night this time.

  • Alessi

    Further to my post about carrying extra petrol (or ‘gas’) in containers and having the mobile telephone (or ‘cellphone’) switched off is the following:

    Many people believe that mobile telephones are a hazard when used around petrol. Most, if not all petrol stations in Australia have a sign telling you to turn off your mobile telephone before refuelling.

    Athough the theory that a mobile telephone could cause an explosion if used near petrol has been shown to be very unlikely (see http://www.amta.org.au/pages/Exploding.petrol.stations)
    many people still avoid the use of such a device around petrol as a precaution.

    This is another reason why a reasonable person might have their mobile telephone switched off if they were carrying cans of petrol in their car.

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      Good point, mate! Thanks for posting. Come back!

      ~ Jason

    • Itiswhatitis

      If JA practiced safe gas pumping by turning off her cell phone I’m sure she and her attorneys would have presented evidence to support this much like the state’s evidence proved she only had it turned off in AZ. In this digital age it would be simple to prove, if true. She never proclaimed to practice safe gas pumping, but had you put that improbable thought into her head I’m sure she would have appreciated it. It would only have put the jury closer to a verdict of M1, but she managed to conjure up enough lies on her own to receive that verdict. She even admitted that in her post-conviction interview. In this case, it’s a laughable assumption that JA would practice safe gas pumping, but go back to TA who was supposedly abusing her.

  • Sarah

    You have just proven to me that you have not watched this trial AT ALL. Almost every “fact” you have is wrong. What kind of crazy person creates fake people to post on their site and then carry on conversations with themselves, mate? You are so transparent! I could break down why all of your points are not only based on fiction because your “facts” on the evidence is wrong, but they are also stretches and justifications to try and make yourself look like less of a weirdo for jerking it to a murderer. Are you ready for that guilty verdict? Court starts an hour late today… wonder why? See you later mate! Or Jason, Marc, Mark, and all your other fake personas on here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sadie.busselldeux Sadie Bussell Deux

      Sarah, what sort of grand scenario were you expecting today when the jury wanted to start late, hmm,,,,????? Didn’t work out that way did it? Jason is awesome, smarter than I’d say 500 of you nit wit haters, hln brainwashed, lame brains put together. I’ve read a lot of actual evidence, In fact I’ve read a lot of information and paid attention to the actual facts of the case, and I can say I have 100% faith in Jason. CORRECT!

      • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

        Well hey, thanks Sadie. All these people think we’re “pro Jodi” or whatever. This website is about PRO-CONSTITUTION and DUE PROCESS, and the last I checked, Jodi IS allowed to present a defense in this country. What we’re against are brainwashed people who rely on HLN for their trial-by-media with those psychopaths on that channel.

        ~ Jason

        • Ithaca is gorgeous

          This site isn’t pro Jodi? Dedicating links to pictures of her in happier times, almost every blog you write shows Jodi in a positive light and Travis and his family in a negative one. Nothing pro Jodi about that though I guess. If this is truly about our judicial system talk about both sides of the house. The defense hasn’t been near perfect in this thing either. I didn’t care how this verdict came out but all the jury without a doubt considered it premeditation, accept it just as justice and our system working just the same as I got a feeling you accepted the Casey Anthony verdict as our system working. That being said I do respect the fact that you let everyone comment here both positive and negative, not like some of the other sites out there.

          • ljrobins

            No, it actually isn’t. This happens to be the trial that sparked the website, and thus was based on HLNTV’s blatantly biased coverage of the Jodi Arias trial (not to speak for Jason who put all of this in motion). I think that you will understand over time that as a group we are seeking fair trials that are not influenced by tabloid TV that rouses up the masses. If you have criticism of the defence team on this trial then please feel free to post your thoughts. I am very keen to learn from everyone and would love to hear your thoughts. I did care how the verdict came out because I believe Arias was persecuted not prosecuted. It is okay for you to disagree. I would have been okay with M2 but don’t feel that M1 was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I respect the jury — my issue is with a biased judge, non-sequestered jury, prosecutorial misconduct and witness intimidation — none of which belong in a reasonable court of law. If you disagree, then please share your thoughts. This should be a place of debate not censor. I only get mad when the only ideas that people can bring to the table is yelling and name calling. NOT cool!

          • Itiswhatitis

            Lj, I started watching the trial a few weeks ago about the time Dr. Samuels got on the stand. Actually the guys on the HLN panel are so ridiculous I muted my TV when they were on. I knew nothing about this case prior to watching the trial. It didn’t take long to conclude that both Dr. Samuels and AL were flaky, that was my objective opinion. I believed JM effectively discredited their theories. I didn’t see that JA was persecuted by the prosecution anymore than TA was persecuted by the defense. In my opinion the prosecution presented enough evidence to support M1, and the defense had no evidence to refute the prosecution’s evidence. Obvious to me was the defense’s lack of evidence that TA was a pedophile or an abuser. They had absolutely nothing to back this up, and there was forensic evidence from TA’s computers that contained nothing to support it. I actually found it disturbing that such vile accusations could be made without evidence, and I think most rational thinking people find this disturbing. It was a poor defense strategy to bring into this case. I understand this was JA call to use it as her defense against the advice of her attorneys. Don’t know if it’s true, but I wouldn’t be surprised. The M1 verdict isn’t anything to celebrate, but it is justice for TA. It’s incredibly sad that both TA and JA’s lives were destroyed due to her mental illness, and both families lives are changed forever. If the defense had used her borderline personality in their defense rather than pedophilia and domestic abuse, maybe JA would be looking at M2 with possibility of parole in 20 years.

          • ljrobins

            Yes, I don’t watch HLN because it drives me mental when I do (as witnessed in many of my posts last night). I do agree that DeMarte was “effective” but I don’t believe her testimony was honest. And yes, I know that sounds contradictory, so let me explain. She managed to remain vague about her level of experience, and embellished it. I also think she successfully avoided the PTSD and that the defence wasn’t equipped to challenge her properly on it at the time. Thus, we had Geffner, who I thought was very very credible and did a good job of explaining the validity scales and how to analyse the tests. I do believe there was verbal abuse and exploitation (of which Jodi was vulnerable to because of BPD or some other personality disorder) and PTSD. It all contributed, and I think you may be right that the defence didn’t do a good enough job highlighting that.

          • Itiswhatitis

            I didn’t get that DeMarte embellished her level of experience. My internship is where I began seeing clients as a practitioner so that’s where my experience began. The defense tried to discredit her because she used her internship as experience, but that’s rightfully her experience. When a doctor is a Fellow, they are able to see patients, it doesn’t negate their experience because they were in a Fellowship. I understand the defense’s job is to try to poke holes in the state’ expert witnesses, but by any professional’s standards your experience begins when you start seeing clients, and in many professions that’s in an internship. Therefore I couldn’t buy into the defense’s attempt to discredit DeMarte’s experience. JA didn’t allow her defense to highlight anything other than TA’s alleged pedophilia and abuse which her attorneys knew was a very hard allegation to support. There was no evidence to support it. Had JA allowed her attorneys to use BPD, the verdict verily likely could be M2, maybe even with parole after 20-25 yrs. JA’s BPD with narcissism is exceedingly difficult for defense attorneys to work with, and they will tell you that. JA believes she’s superior to her own defense despite their years of experience. That’s why she jumped her attorneys after the verdict. She’s blaming them for the M1 when she’s the one that demanded they try to prove pedophilia and abuse with no evidence. She’s now admitting she had differences with her attorneys, but she can’t blame them when they did exactly what she wanted them to do against their professional advice. I’ve been abused. I support and have empathy for abused women and children. When I hear the tapes and read the texts between JA and TA, it’s ugly. I also hear JA perpetuating, encouraging, and engaging in their kinky conversations. While it’s ugly, it’s sounds 100% consensual. Never did the defense present evidence of JA’s discomfort, humiliation, dread, nothing but laughter and actually suggesting more kinky sex. So verbal abuse and exploitation is a real stretch because victims of sexual exploitation don’t encourage and delight in it. I can’t logically come to the conclusion that she was sexually exploited or that he was a pedophile when there’s no evidence to support it.

          • ljrobins

            Long post, Itiswhatitis! Some of my thoughts (another long post!):

            “I didn’t get that DeMarte embellished her level of experience. My internship is where I began seeing clients as a practitioner so that’s where my experience began. The defense tried to discredit her because she used her internship as experience, but that’s rightfully her experience. When a doctor is a Fellow, they are able to see patients, it doesn’t negate their experience because they were in a Fellowship.”

            I agree that it is experience. Where we differ is that it isn’t professional experience. A practicum is a course designed to give students supervised practical application of studied theory. She wasn’t licensed when she got this experience, she was a student. So, although it may be practical experience, it is deceitful to count it as professional experience. Professional psychologists practice under their own license — they do not practice under a supervisor’s license. This is what DeMarte was doing when she got this experience. When people want something to be true they will generally overlook a minor deceit — but it’s still a deceit. It probably wouldn’t count as perjury though, which is what makes it so damn clever.

            “JA didn’t allow her defense to highlight anything other than TA’s alleged pedophilia and abuse which her attorneys knew was a very hard allegation to support.”

            Yes, I do agree this is a tough one since everyone around TA wanted to keep his deviant and duplicitous behaviours a secret. However, it wasn’t the burden of the defence to prove their theory of deviance, but to only raise reasonable doubt as to Jodi’s state of mind (rage versus premed) related to these issues.

            “There was no evidence to support it.”

            I think there was enough to raise reasonable doubt. I have a feeling more will come out later — it won’t stay a secret forever.

            The next portion of your post I am not going to address directly, because she wasn’t diagnosed with narcissism, and I am not going to speculate on whether JA believes she is superior or analyse her reaction to an M1 verdict with a possible death sentence. That is a severe sentence and any one us might react negatively or strongly if we were hit with the realization that we may be put to death. I will say that her reaction points to someone who is traumatized and has a mental illness — but I won’t speculate beyond that.

            “I support and have empathy for abused women and children. When I hear the tapes and read the texts between JA and TA, it’s ugly. I also hear JA perpetuating, encouraging, and engaging in their kinky conversations. While it’s ugly, it’s sounds 100% consensual. Never did the defense present evidence of JA’s discomfort, humiliation, dread, nothing but laughter and actually suggesting more kinky sex. So verbal abuse and exploitation is a real stretch because victims of sexual exploitation don’t encourage and delight in it. I can’t logically come to the conclusion that she was sexually exploited or that he was a pedophile when there’s no evidence to support it.”

            This is definitely a difficult area to assess, because I don’t believe we have all the information. The verbal abuse is quite obvious to me based on Travis’ own words — testimony. We know that he lied not just to Jodi, but to many of his other girlfriends,, his friends and the church. We know he put one face forward and another deviant one behind closed doors. No man has ever got off on my sound like a “12 year old girl having her first orgasm.” That is deviant. Period. Doesn’t mean he touched kids, but it speaks to his deviance.

            The sexual exploitation is more difficult, I agree, but as we know, it is often a slippery slope for women (i.e. date rape, he said, she said; she was asking for it). What we do know is that Travis was a Mormon priest and he baptized Jodi. Talk about a power/authority dynamic! This is where consensual sex starts to get a bit tricky don’t you think? If a college student decides to engage in an affair with a professor is it sexual exploitation? It definitely is more often than it’s not. Predators prey on people who are vulnerable psychologically. We see this all the time in abusive relationships, cults, etc.

            Faced with a controlling and verbally abusive partner who has power in the church may very well have altered her ability to say no to certain sexual acts. But we really don’t have all the information on this one. Again, no one in Travis’ circle wants to talk. I think more information about this will come out eventually.

          • Itiswhatitis

            Lj, I appreciate a civil, intelligent discussion with you. Actually if I didn’t believe JA is hugely narcissistic, I would agree with your power/authority theory. JA’s behavior in jail house interviews, and now her post-conviction interview are obvious of a borderline personality disorder. The symptoms of BPD overlap with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), often making it difficult to diagnose without psychological assessments. Either way, BPD or NPD are hugely controlling people that would never be controlled in a relationship which is why I don’t buy JA’s story of abuse and pedophilia combined with lack of evidence.

            So many people live double lives, which is not unhealthy unless it inflicts grievous harm on others. Kinda like the bus driver in Cleveland, OH that held 3 young women captive for 10 + years. That double life is criminal, heinous. There are many devoutly religious people sitting in church every Sunday who are not what they present themselves to be. What one calls deviant sex, another calls good sex. Either way it’s harmless unless criminal.

            JA further damaged herself in her last interview when she says she had to go through with the trip to UT to see Ryan Burns because it was part of her plan. When asked how she could be with another man after she just slaughtered TA, she said that was just going through the motions, she had no feeling for Ryan, but the trip to UT was part of her plan she had to go through with it. When you’ve just been found guilty of M1, that’s the most inappropriate time to arrange your own interview against the advice of your attorneys. But that totally fits for a narcissist.

        • Marlene Marshall

          AMEN!!!! It’s horrible to see what has happened to all … Travis, his family, Jodi, her family, etc. IF Travis’s family didn’t want BLOOD, however, they could have accepted Jodi’s admission of M2.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Netcorrupter Stacy Hall

        Who’s the nit wit now Miss?

      • cb

        Exactly!!!!

    • ljrobins

      I can assure you Sarah that that the “personas” are not fake here. Silly girl. I am the real me, not Jason impersonating as a woman. I’ve seen his pic and I am positive that his feet would not fit very well into my stilettos.

      • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

        lmao …

        ~ Jason

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      Well, mate, if you could break down each of my points, feel free to do so. If not, then don’t — which you haven’t. Readers can draw their own conclusions from that.

      Jerking it to a murderer? In one of your other posts, you called me a pedophile for supporting due process, which was quite peculiar .. how you’d make that nexus. And I guarantee you there will be no M1 verdict. I’m not saying she’ll be acquitted — although you never know. I said that most likely she’ll end up with manslaughter or M2 and IF Sugar Sherry sentences her to the max, will serve the next 12-15 years in prison. But as far as M1, DP or life in prison, it’s out of the question. Bank on it.

      ~ Jason

      • Sarah

        Something wrong with assuming things about you? Something wrong with saying whatever the he’ll I want to about you and say it as fact? Something wrong with attacking your character? Because you sure have no problem doing it. I sure don’t remember typing the word pedophile. There is no point in arguing with you and the Legion of crazy. I mean, you’re trying to say that the Mormon church is framing Jodi on behalf of their reputation because one of their members fucked before marriage. You still think Juan threw a pen at someone, you still think Juan at one point crossed AL for four hours when it was only 45 minutes, you still say Travis had a criminal record when it was proven to be his brother. You lie, lie, lie and don’t care because you are a disgusting human being. I am sad we didn’t get a verdict today, I got all hyped up for nothing. Hopefully they are just being diligent and taking this seriously so they might take a few more days. Lots of evidence. I’m going to try my best to never come to this site again, and leave all of you and yourselves to play crazyland with one another, I’m tired of giving you site traffic just to be saddened by the realization that people like you exist and have absolutely no idea how crazy you are. :( Tear. She’ll get M1, it’s just a matter of waiting.

        • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

          Let’s break your post down, Sarah.

          Yes, I think the Mormon Media Blitz in in full force trying to convict Jodi of something. Why? It’s a fact that the church sees Travis as a disgrace. If they can convict Jodi of something, they can save a little face for the church by making Travis “slightly less of a disgrace” … it’s why Chris & Sky Hughes never came into evidence if it wasn’t for Alyce Laviolette telling the truth.

          Juan threw a pen “in the direction of” Alyce Laviolette on Day 36. So perhaps it wasn’t “at” her, but it’ still a major violation of courtroom etiquette and obviously Sugar Sherry should have thrown him in the tank for a couple days like any other judge would.

          Juan’s ridiculous Snow White & the 7 Dwarfs testimony lasted over 4 hours. Okay, perhaps not everything said in those 4 hours was related to the 7 dwarfs. Nevertheless ,it was a waste of 4 hours and made a mockery of our judicial system.

          I’ll still live without your traffic, and somehow manage to go to bed at night. But you can come back here for some lessons on due process, independent thinking, and the legal system when a verdict is returned that is NOT first degree murder, per my guarantee. Just follow the evidence — or lackthereof, and the law — our constitution.

          ~ Jason

        • Itiswhatitis

          I agree with you Sarah. These folks want to see criminals walk, empty out the prisons because prisoners are all wrongly convicted. These guys will conjure up a conspiracy theory about a fish in a pond, something like Nancy Grace forced that fish under water. They don’t know that the defense team has to approve every juror during jury selection. The court didn’t just run out and round up a bunch of Mormons for TA’s family. JA herself admitted the state’s evidence was “compelling”, but these guys put on their blinders and don’t want to see it for what it is. The defense couldn’t get any reputable expert witnesses to back up JA’s domestic violence claims so they got stuck with washed up, scatterbrained Samuels and Laviolette’s flimsy testimony (and they’re shocked at a M1 verdict). Fortunately the vast majority of Americans are rational and understand the judicial system and believe criminals should be locked up when “compelling” evidence is overwhelming.

          • ljrobins

            No one should walk if they have committed a crime. No one here is actually promoting that. Can you not read? You are actually a very unsophisticated individual if you believe that any of us here want to see people walk. That is not the issue and never will be. We want a fair trial for defendants no matter WHAT. That is it. That is all. This was not a fair trial. Jodi was persecuted in the media and you all jumped on the bandwagon. HLNTV should have educated people instead of rousing up your emotions (as witnessed here) simply to make ratings and a profit. I hope you realize that the media is just using you to meet their bottom line. They don’t CARE!

    • cb

      The bible talks about people that are evil and full of hate all the time. How does that make you feel?

  • Sarah

    Also, yeah it’s Totally normal to drive countless miles with Three five gallon gas cans on the interstate on public highways where there are several gas stations along the route. It’s because she didn’t want to be picked up on any video surveillance while she had to go inside the gas station if she were to pay with cash. She was just meant to be caught. Karma got ahold of her quickly, and it will finish with her today. Now go save those abused kids you were so worried about.

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      Sarah, I have no fake IDs posting on here, so relax on your conspiracy theories. The gas cans were explained. What more can I say? It’s common to do that when traversing through the desert, and Rock Star Juan’s theory that she didn’t want to leave a trail near Travis’ house makes no sense. All she’d have to do is pay cash at a gas station, numbnuts! There’s no paper trail there! Cut it out w/ the surveillance. She could have thrown on a baseball cap and went completely undetected in those cheap gas station cameras — as if the prosecution would go to every gas station in the county and surrounding counties to check those cheap things out anyway.

      ~ Jason

    • Sarah M

      Karma is what TA got, and is why there are so many spree killings today, people are sick of being abused. You are abusive sarah it is in you tone and your words, you are very very angry, I feel sorry for you someone must have hurt you and you are bounded by your anger, hate and bitterness. sadly the jury got it wrong, probably do to intimidation by people like you being afraid of the haters would come after them if they didn’t convict or they were white conservatives who have run this county and the world into the ground using their religion to back them up. Women like you do not know they have been abused, you are conditioned to think men can do no wrong, travis was an abuser and he reaped what he sowed simple as that.

      • ljrobins

        Quite a stunning and honest post Sarah M. Thank you for posting it. My hat goes off to you. Please keep posting!

        • Sarah M

          ty ljrobins, sometimes I just have to speak my mind lol

      • Sarah

        Gah. Trolls are hungry on this page. One giant troll. Marc, Mark, Jason, how is New Zealand? You are an idiot and all of your “insights” are way off. On second thought, you are sooo right! Maybe I should murder all my exes! You guys will have my back at least! You know what, actually none of you are worth my time. I’m satisfied knowing you are all crazy loons, or mostly all the same person, who are/is about to witness your murder queen be sentenced to death and in a few years she will be put down like the cold hearted, sociopathic, hollow ass (literally, teehee) dog that she is. She will NEVER be granted an appeal. She will rot in solitary until that day comes, boohooing because her plot failed, realizing that she is an idiot to murder another human being and think she could have gotten away with it. Later Crazy land!

        • ljrobins

          Sarah, who is the troll here? And who is the loon? You are ready to celebrate another person’s death. That makes no sense to me. And, you keep coming to a website that completely opposes your opinions. Why?

        • ljrobins

          Again, the ignorance is ASTOUNDING. Jodi Arias, hate her if you will, was NOT diagnosed as a sociopathic personality. Get over it people and read a book. She is human. If justice doesn’t prevail then yes, she will rot in prison and be killed with a needle. Why anyone would be celebrating this is beyond me.

          • DianeDakota

            I so agree. I find it so disturbing that anyone would celebrate the thought of another’s death.

  • Ithaca is gorgeous

    No first degree huh??

    • http://www.facebook.com/laurie.hoppe.9 Laurie Hoppe

      Yes, I look forward to seeing this updated. I hope they won’t begin saying that the jurors ignored the admonition and that HLN somehow managed to influence them. These people gave up four months of their lives to see that justice was done. And I guess they just didn’t believe that stabbing someone in the back is “self defense.”

      • Ithaca is gorgeous

        Oh they will be out in force, jury did their job and it wasn’t like some of them where unsure. They will yell the jury was tainted, yet when Casey Anthony got off the jury was verdict was fine.

        • ljrobins

          Absolutely, the jury did their job, and should be commended for it. I suspect no one here would say otherwise. Had it gone the other way, however, we would be seeing shades of Casey Anthony — where the jury was admonished and threatened for doing their duty.

          The site will continue to be updated as this place is not about “Jodi” despite whatever your demented minds might think. It is about ensuring fair trials for all and eliminating trials by tabloid media.

      • Itiswhatitis

        Or that if she had been body slammed on the tile floor by a 200 lb dude, she wouldn’t have any bruises, and she would immediately jump up and be able to stab him 29 times and slit his throat.

        • ljrobins

          This whole mess is a tragedy on so many levels. Where to begin? Believe what you must. I shall not admonish you for your opinion nor will I admonish the jury for their verdict. Compassion is a must in these situations, always. I wish I saw compassion coming from the “other side” but I am doubtful. HLN could have educated the public about the judicial system and mental health disorders, but instead they chose to sensationalize and profit from a tragedy. Troll if you must.

          • Uwhat

            So, after ready this post, I am curious on your stance. Do I believe Jodi has a mental health issue? You betcha. Have I evaluated her? No, but in my professional capacity I would bet my Ph.D on it.
            Should the jury have been sequestered? Absolutely!
            Has HLN become nothing more than a vehicle for ” rag mag ” journalism at its very worst? Yes, it has. But, the point I am compelled to make is this site has its own bias as does the Jodi is Innocent site. So you are all birds of a feather with name calling, spewing vile language at the personalities involved, defaming the dead and the living.
            You yourself in a previous post of mine commented that I was an armchair therapist with a mental health problem. You yourself mis read then made a claim based on your misreading that I called Jodi a sociopath.
            IF you read it again, with an open mind, you will see I was alluding to all believes including those who think she is akin to Mother Theresa or a world class villainess.
            I do believe she is a narcissist. That is my belief. No amount of name calling and ranting will change my opinion. What you won’t get me to do however is to engage in name calling with YOU. As I commented above. I truly am sorry for your experiences of abuse. Your empathy, and I am sincere that you are an abundantly empathetic person, would be better put to use with people who are genuine abuse victims and survivors.
            My hope when I was told about this blog, was that I might find people who would be able to discuss news events from a different perspective that the one sided journalism currently out on the Internet. This blog does not take a middle ground, it leans too far in the other direction without supportive arguments.
            So, if there is a blog out there, that can report facts without emotions and anger fueling the debate, please point me in that direction!

          • ljrobins

            Yes, I believe she has mental health issues that have gone untreated for a long time. Unfortunately we don’t have enough information to understand how she developed them. But I think her dysfunctional relationship with Travis unhinged her. She wasn’t diagnosed by any of the experts who saw her as a narcissist, so I can’t agree. None of us know her to diagnose her, so I will go by what was presented in court.

            This is a site where discussion is encouraged. None of the negative posts have been deleted nor even the ones with swear words (mine included). Yes, name calling is silly, and again (how many times now haha) I apologize. I am human and get caught up in my emotions sometimes, but generally speaking I am a relatively intelligent person.

          • Uwhat

            Ljrobbins,

            You are very gracious and I of course except your apology, though you really didn’t need to apologize.
            You are so right, emotions are running very high. I commend the owner of the site for allowing free speech without censorship. It is a strength, even though it brings out extreme hate with some folks. Regardless of my personal beliefs, I am not one of those “Jodi haters.” In one way or another, we are all losers in this tragic situation.

          • ljrobins

            Just another speculation here, but if Jodi’s experts are incompetent as the masses seem to be saying, then by their very own admission, they are saying Jodi did not have a fair trial. See where I am going with this? It could be the basis for an appeal. What an irony that would be.

            At the end of the day no matter how we feel about the crime or the perpetrator, we should all want to ensure that the judicial system acts in due process and fairness for all of us.

          • Uwhat

            I think there is plenty of blame to go around. I expect there will be years of appeals and the sorry saga will continue. I don’t discredit any of the professionals who evaluated Jodi, defense or prosecution. We view the world with a set of eyes moulded by our own life experiences no matter how impartial we try to be.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

            Are you Really saying you don’t have any objection to the fact that Martinez’ witneses lied, on Oath, when they changed their testimony?
            Of course they had their excuses, one being a ”typo” in a whole descriptive sentence in his Report–the ME.. in.. a Murder trial? The other, Flores, it was a ”misunderstanding” ? From a detective (for the prosecution), in a Murder Trial ? Then there’s Chris Hughes’ testimony.. he wouldn’t recognise his own emails to Travis, with the excuse that they were ”forgeries”, um.. I don’t think so.

          • Uwhat

            Am I really saying what??? I wish you would take the time to actually read what I said rather than jumping to a conclusion formed by your own prejudices.

          • Ithaca is gorgeous

            Yea seems you forget Matinez’ call Alice a liar outright, there is only one way he is allowed to do that, I will let you figure that out for yourself.

          • http://twitter.com/ThoriGustin Thori

            Hard to find middle of the ground sites, I agree with you. I have gotten my share of the JA by sort of chance, listening to her 48 Hrs. interview and then finding out that she did really kill TA, but then I started looking at the different sites, and saw people in the thousands pulling for one side or the other with an unbelievable passion, and then I see our country going to ruins, by our mummified, corrupt politicians from both sides and we do nothing, no passion, no involvement, complete oblivion, When I was reading your post it occurred to me, that we as a nation have become narcissistic sociopaths just like JA; we go and invade, destroy, and kill thousands of people in any little country we want to, and then like Jodi we don’t accept responsibility and we cry when some of those people want to retaliate because of the crimes we committed in the first place, we believe the lies our Govt tells us as a justification for killing innocent people in other countries, just like Jodi wanted us to believe her. I wish people would get involved and passionate about the real issues that are destroying our country and ourselves.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

            There can be no ”Middle ground site”, thori; Jodi either premeditated the killing (murder). or she did not, its That simple. (What on earth made you think there could possibly be middle ground??)
            Where is the middle ground? we have 1st degree murder or self defence–nothing inbetween.
            And Felony murder? No, that is just another of the States’ red herrings.

          • Uwhat

            THORI
            BRAVO! Whatever we want to believe, or not, about Ms Arias, there are SO SO many more important things going on around us that we should be spending our time talking about.
            And in honor of today, HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY TO ALL OF YOU!

          • DianeDakota

            Excellent post. We have a sick culture in our country and the media is responsible for shaping that to such a great degree.

          • Pennypacker

            Awesome post, Thori.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

            ”So you are all birds of a feather with name calling, spewing vile language at the personalities involved, defaming the dead and the living”.

            Have you seen the haters’ site, Justice4Travis? You can’t have done, talk about spewing hate and vile language. The people who support Jodi on the ”innocent” site and on this site, myself included, don’t use vile language, or spew hate, we have no need to, you see; all it takes is common sense and a bit of intelligence to see the case, the lies, and Martinez spewing hatred and abuse.
            We just say it how it IS, we don’t watch HLN to be told what to think, neither do we concoct elaborate stories, because–we don’t have to.

          • Uwhat

            I have visited both of those sites. I can tell you that I read absolute hateful comments and “truthiness” and spin doctoring from BOTH sites. From Travis being called every name under the sun to vile erroneous accusations and cruel comments about his brother and both sisters. People mocked his family, and every aspect of the trial to conclude with accusing the jury of watching HLN and other outlets prior to deliberations. Had the verdict gone the other way, those same people would have accused the jury of being brain dead morons who all wanted to sleep with Ms Arias.
            The Jodi detractors have called Jodi and her family and the defense team and experts the same vile names and have been just as hateful and cruel. It equals the same. When people get caught up in the spiral of hate and propaganda, it tends to reflect WHO THEY ARE as opposed to any arguments based on fact.

          • Johnny

            Yeah right, i’ve seen the jodiariasisinnocent website, not only do you supporters of the murderer spew your own hate, but even have a special “vent” page for specifically such childishness. But you can all continue to SAY whatever you want, making it reality in your distorted and gullible perspectives, just like the woman and case that began this whole controversy, while us REASONABLE people continue to live in REALITY.

          • Heather June Soper

            Having just seen the gross distortion of what you wrote, I felt the need to answer you:
            The vent page WE have is P R I V A T E.. got it? We have a special password to get into it. Why we have this page is for us to let out our anger; the HUGE difference is that we do it in private – we don’t spew hatred to others. Its important to let out our anger at the Corruption and blatant Misconduct in this farce of a trial, so we are given a private place to do it where it doesn’t hurt Anyone.

            Your reality is to support the State sponsored MURDER of innocent people; doing THAT is FAR from reasonable. Just LOOK at how many innocent people JM has sent to their death, he is renowned for it. PROOF of this is in the statistics, should you care to look.

          • Ithaca is gorgeous

            Do a little reading the people that support Jodi have done their share of vile language and hate. They hypocrisy of people like you is unbelievable.

          • Sarah M

            Very well said!!!!!!! Using their professional positions how they were meant as opposed to stirring up a lynch mob!

        • ljrobins

          I am not really one who believes in the self-defence theory. I think it was M2. In Canada we have provocation. It looks like a crime of passion not one of premeditation.

  • Justice

    Never happen? lol What a card

  • Justice

    Good job bro

  • Sarah

    Looks like you’re going to have to do a rewrite of this one. :/ Shucks.

    • ljrobins

      None of our minds have changed Sarah. But thanks for stopping by.

    • http://twitter.com/occupyhln Occupy HLN

      I don’t have to rewrite a think. But I will be laying down my “verdict” on Thursday of what really happened in that courtroom Wednesday.

      And it will be supported with facts, that will tie every post you see in here together in a logical sequence.

      Stay tuned.

      ~ Jason

      • Itiswhatitis

        I hate to burst your bubble, but your “verdict” is completely irrelevant.

      • DianeDakota

        There are plenty of people who are on the same page with you but don’t speak because of fear of the mob HLN has created with many lies. Keep fighting to expose this disgusting money making bunch of yellow journalists capitalizing on frothing the emotions of people into a mob with misinformation just to sell more commercials. They are currently reporting false information that Jodi arranged last nights interview yesterday. The reporter was on national Fox last night and he explained to the contrary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/terrigoodwinlongmatteson Terri Goodwin Long Matteson

    Hmmm…looks like this writer was wrong…guilty of premeditated AND felony murder!

    • cb

      Just because 12 people decided that she was guilty doesn’t mean that she actually is. HLN and all the sheeple believe the same evil way and it doesn’t mean anything. Her attorneys will appeal it. The judge should have sequestered the jury and they didn’t so there!

      • Uwhat

        CB….How old are you? So there? Is that your best literary shot??

        Jason,
        Regardless of whether you believe Jodi Arias is bat shit crazy, a narcissist, a sociopath, compulsive liar blah blah blah or Mother Theresa or Joan of Arc, one thing I know for sure is she is about as abused as my goldfish!
        I work with battered woman on a daily basis and I was the victim of domestic violence. I had no opinion on her innocence or guilt until she took the stand. Jodi got Jodi convicted.
        I have seen cod more battered than Jodi, and they came with a serving of fries. HLN may be garbage news but your blog is about as newsworthy and fact based as a Nancy Grace crime novel.

        • ljrobins

          Uwhat, Jodi was not diagnosed as a sociopath, narcissist or a compulsive liar by DEMARTE or any other witness. So tired of armchair psychologists who likely have their own mental illnesses .. anyway … I was also the victim of domestic violence. I was severely verbally abused by a parent and later physically abused by a boyfriend. The verbal abuse I endured was much more debilitating than the physical abuse. I can take being punched over someone stabbing the core of who I am as a person. So, frankly lady, get off your high fucking horse. You have worked with abused women but never actually been abused yourself (and if you have you are are still disassociated from it). HLN should be EDUCATING the public about these issues NOT persecuting victims for their monetary gain. Wake up, seriously. Flummoxed by you people. Truly am.

          • Ithaca is gorgeous

            ljrobins, the hypocrisy of people like you is unbelievable, you want to say the prosecution witnesses lied, what about the ones the defense put up. You say people shouldn’t blame Jodi yet you blame Travis. I will guarantee you where happy with the Anthony verdict. The system is always wrong to people like you unless the outcome is how you wanted it to be Oh and swearing at people is always a show of intelligence, said know one ever.

          • ljrobins

            Well, yes, we can all be a hypocrite at times, including myself. So, well done on that one. Any swearing I have done–my apologies, and point taken. Listening to so much vitriol over the last week on twitter, FB and here has taken its toll. How is that for honesty?

            This whole case is filled with so many lies on both sides that it easily boggles the mind. And tabloid tv has done a lot of damage to a very public trial. It’s exactly what I find so frustrating about it this case.

            Jodi is responsible for her actions–I agree. I think we disagree on the charge. I believe this was a crime of passion not premeditation. I think the felony charge was bogus as they couldn’t prove enough about the weapons–even the jurors couldn’t agree on the felony charge. I respect the jury for their duty, but I don’t have to agree with the charge.

            I truly believe this was a highly dysfunctional relationship that went very very wrong and ended in the ultimate of tragedies for everyone involved. AND, I think it has been exploited by the media and Travis’ own friends and family. That is sad.

            My “emotion” over this particular case comes from witnessing a justice system become a spectacle in court and in the media. I think that is very dangerous and wrong.

            This could have been a great opportunity to have real discussions about the judicial system (highly criticized in Arizona), domestic violence, mental health issues, etc.)

          • Ithaca is gorgeous

            And I do not dispute the fact that our judicial system is whacked, it is a business clearly run for profit, but it is the only one we got. Unfortunately I see it getting worse not better with the type of people that run this country

          • Uwhat

            Ljrobbins.
            Nice language.
            You obviously didn’t read my post. I state quite clearly I was a victim of of domestic abuse AND I counsel woman and children who have been exposed to it. For your own experience, I am very sorry that you had any kind of trauma in your life. It changes who you are and who you could have become.
            That being said, you cannot compare what you have been through to what Jodi CLAIMS she went through.
            Jodi’s own mother said her daughter was bi-polar and a compulsive liar with a hair trigger temper. Jodi is a master manipulator. Her interview yesterday on the FOX affiliate was a masterclass in narcissism.

          • fuckyoufaggot

            He should have spanked you a little harder, slut!

          • Uwhat

            And the above poster is EXACTLY where the problem lies. Hate and depraved comments only fan the flames my friend. As for your language and obscene and not remotely humorous post name, society is doomed if you are representative of the masses. Lucky for us, I think you represent perhaps at best, less than 1%.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

            Pot calling the kettle black, by any chance?

          • Uwhat

            Pot calling you out Heather.

          • jackie freitas

            hahhahaha!!!

          • ljrobins

            Uwhat, I agree, and I apologize. I shouldn’t have been posting late last night when I was upset. We all have our moments.

            I would like to say that the language Travis used to address Jodi is a huge red flag. Physical abuse — not proven at all. But verbal abuse (and potentially sexual exploitation) can be determined in my opinion, and it would have been detrimental to someone who has borderline personality and PSTD that has gone untreated for a long time. We don’t see any evidence that Jodi was violent with or to previous boyfriends.

            I do believe she has BPD and trauma of some kind. I thought Geffner was very credible on that point.

            I believe this was a crime of passion, not one of premeditation. Unfortunately, I don’t think we have the whole truth about Travis, but enough indicators to show he was duplicitous with Jodi, the other women he dated and his friends. I suspect more will come about about this eventually.

          • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

            U what ???

          • Uwhat

            You are a very, very sad person.

          • Uwhat

            Ljrobbins

            Consider it done!
            It is so very nice to have a place where people truly are more civilized with each other, with one or two exceptions lol! I very much appreciate that!

          • Sarah M

            exactly!!! And isn’t this really important in lite of what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary? All the media including HLN for that tragic event came out advocating how we need to treat mental illnesses more serious and less taboo. Most people most likely are inflicted with some form of mental incapacity to one degree or another and the only way to prevent and solve issues regarding mental illness is to first understand it.

            Additionally, Dr Drew is one to speak about Jodi in such disrespectful manner when he had the girl who shot MaryJo on his season and showed this young girl empathy. I do not understand how he can still consider himself a credible doctor.

        • cb

          Last I checked, I graduated from high school years ago. I didn’t think this was English class. How old are you??? I wasn’t even replying to your comment. Do you normally lash out at people for no apparent reason? Maybe you need to be on medication for your problem.

          • Uwhat

            CB.
            And that’s where the problem lies. I thought you were replying to one of my comments! So sorry about that! My iPhone only shows up part of the comments on the left. I don’t need medication but I certainly need glasses and larger text!

        • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

          Uwhat ?… ? … ?

          • Uwhat

            You may well have been the victim of abuse yourself, however that doesn’t give you the right to be a negative Nellie now does it?!

      • fuckyoufaggot

        Hope she gets out and slashes your throat and stabs you 28 times, you moron!
        Sheeple not always refers to majorities. In this case you (minority) are part of the sheeple.
        Only someone really dumb would believe the outlandish lies of an admitted liar. You’re pathetic!

        • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

          O M G

      • http://twitter.com/marie_marbar814 Marie Baldwin

        So there what it was proven she Is a murdering skank so there! Loliuf

      • neilson

        Pleeeze! She is

    • ljrobins

      The felony is a joke. M1 is too. M2 I could live with. The verdict is only relevant if the trial was fair, and don’t believe it was. The jury should have been sequestered, Juan should have been called out for misconduct along with his lying experts (Horn and Flores). This whole situation is a massive tragedy for everyone involved. People here just want to see a fair trial and I don’t understand the need for you to come here and gloat? Seems unnecessary and mean. Maybe you are the one with the issue? Food for thought.

      • Itiswhatitis

        There are no laws or rules on jury sequestration, and unless there’s evidence of a juror accepting a bribe or being influenced by someone it’s a mute point. Do you really think a judge would let a prosecutor get away with misconduct in a nationally televised trial. If you know the definition of prosecutorial misconduct, you would realize it didn’t happen in this trial. The state wouldn’t spend $2 million and 4 months on this trial and allow JM to get away with misconduct on national TV. You don’t like JM’s aggressive style, but if it had been your loved one that had been gruesomely murdered, you would want a JM to prosecute the murderer.

        • ljrobins

          Maybe not, but a judge should use common sense. I thought Judge Belvin Perry was very smart when he sequestered the jury for the Casey Anthony trial. I think “corruption” at various levels is quite possible with a jury sitting on a trial for 4 months and not being sequestered. They could have been influenced. I can’t imagine living in Arizona and not hearing about the trial from family, friends or the tv. As a judge, I wouldn’t want to take my chances on a trial that is being exploited that much on tabloid tv or in the media over all.

          For what it is worth, Juan Martinez has been criticized for his behaviour by other lawyers (and judges) and there are judges who would have called him out on it. I think it was misconduct, and I did think he got away with it on national tv — and the masses delighted in it. And no, I don’t believe I would want JM prosecuting on my or my family’s behalf.

  • Uwhat

    ER…….OOPS! Wanna rethink?

    • ljrobins

      Why are you turning this into a joke? I don’t get the pathology.

  • fuckyoufaggot

    Hahahahahaha! 1st degree murder and they’re going to kill the ugly bitch.

  • cb

    I don’t understand the way people think these days. When the verdict came out yesterday, people were cheering, clapping, crying and practically having a party in front of the courthouse. It makes me very sad that people are so cruel. They want her to be sentenced to death. The Mormons were also cheering and ecstatic about the verdict. She took a life and yes she is living in her own hell right now. She looks very thin and under stress. I can’t help but feel sorry for her. What do people want from her? Her blood? Her suffering? Those of you who are happy about all of this should be ashamed of yourselves. She was obviously troubled and in desperate need of attention and her anger got the best of her. She was sick. God knows our feelings. He knows our pain, he knows our sins, he knows everything about us. We act like we know her by her actions when really we don’t and all those people yesterday who were smiling and celebrating probably don’t evil realize how truly evil that is. Matthew 6:14 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. Period. Enough said.

    • jack Reaper

      Hard to believe ANYONE in their right mind would feel sorry for a person who slaughtered = cut up another human being. “She looks thin… and under stress” poor baby…. she should have just stayed home and not driven 1000 miles to SLAUGHTER him! The people who should be ashamed are the pathetic ones feeling bad for a cruel disgusting murderer…. at least Jodi is alive, breathing, tracing her lame pictures. Where is Travis???? yup dead in the ground 6 feet under… after having suffered a horrific death at the hands of the same big fat baby who couldn’t cut herself cuz it stung!
      PS…. It might be easier to forgive if she demonstrated an ounce of remorse for what she has done! God is all forgiving yes…. but not to those who are not sorry or contrite for their sins.

    • Malena

      cb, most of the people want her to pay for her brutal murderer, do I have to feel sorry because she is thin and has a big head and looks like a matchstick? No way, she has no excuses, we want her in prison paying for the life she took.

  • Justice Was Done

    Good lord. Her hands were full of blood she said, yet it wasn’t on the car door or home doorknobs or anywhere else. Did she clean her hands in her fuzzy state and then walk back to his house from the desert to dunk her hands in his blood, walk back and stand outside her car, and look down at her hands and get her conscious self back

  • Justice Was Done

    Not too smart huh Alessi? Are you related to the website owner?

  • http://twitter.com/ThoriGustin Thori

    Felony either way; either by the gun that she “stole” from her grandparents, or by stealing the gun that was at Travis house, since she said it was there, and she was the one that disposed of it , since it was not found inside the house. That’s why the felony, it wasn’t just made up of thin air.

  • Jenny

    Still think M1 will “never” happen…lol :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/heather.soper1 Heather June Soper

    You have it exactly right, Jason (Occupy HLN), I couldn’t have said it better myself.
    As far as Martinez is concerned, or Rock Star (which fits him far better (!), he took over with the abuse of Jodi where Travis left off..
    He accused her (in his closing ‘non sense’). of, ” loving the limelight”, ( I had no idea this was proof of premeditation (!)) Of course, Martinez didn’t sign autographs outside the court, with a permanent grin on his face and acting like he was a celebrity loving the adoration from the masses wanting ”to have his babies”. did he? Oh no, not HIM!
    He also accused her of ”lying on Oath”… isn’t that what His witnesses, Chris Hughes, Flores, Horn and Dr DeMarte did? (but I noticed that he didn’t mention That they were caught changing their testimony, and Tot Doc just made a spectacle of herself, ( remember the Tiger and Bear question?!!!) she was also evasive and economical with the truth, not to mention looking and acting defensive, dumb insolence wasn’t far behind, either.)
    And, what was Martinez doing whispering in Tot Doc’s ear – while she was still on the stand ? I can only think of only one reason–its called, ”coaching the witness”
    Martinez, IMO, decided to famously object every time he got a sniff of truth coming out of the defence witnesses mouths, and no one recognised that? Or the lies coming from His witnesses mouths… none of the jurors ? Really?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Guzman/100000499058034 Danny Guzman

    Would you like some whine with that crow? Bon appétit :)

  • Somtinsimple

    Who wrote this nonsense? First of all, you see how wrong you were- murder1 was pretty much a guarantee all along. Second of all-even if you go by JODI’S version, it’s STILL premeditated AND felony murder. THAT is what Juan Martinez was proving. The ‘felony’ part wasn’t because of her stealing her grandparent’s gun. It was because if she is CLAIMING the gun was Travis’ then she STOLE it from him, while committing a murder…making it felony murder. It is also premeditated, based on JODI’S version. If she shot him first, she could have easily run out of the house, a naked guy with a bullet in his head is CLEARLY no threat….but the short amount of time it took her to go grab that knife, turn and go back towards him with it to continuously stab him…BAM….premeditation. – - That being said, Jodi is full of crap and anyone REALLY paying attention could see that she is a pathological liar, she planned the entire thing from stealing her grandparent’s gun and everything else after that (and let’s not pretend like she planned it poorly either-if it hadn’t been for the mistake w the camera, she might have gotten away with her first story of not being there), but she got caught red handed…literally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/memawdebilu Debbie Lou Young

    Hmmm . . . weellll, welllll . . . no first degree, huh?! WRONG!

  • Juanita

    You gonna tell us now why the death penalty will never happen. Seems you missed the mark. Everyone is speculating about whether Jodi Arias is using reverse psychology to manipulate the jury into giving her natural life instead of death….since life w/o parole is what she says she fears most. Actually, the wishes of the victims family should be given strong consideration, and to the extent anyone was unsure about the death penalty, well Jodi just gave her permission. Some might say it is a win, win outcome!

  • http://twitter.com/marie_marbar814 Marie Baldwin

    And…. That’s why your three holed wonder skank was found guilty of 1st degree murder smart ass

  • jackie freitas

    Your ignorance is embarrassing….. my stomach hurts from cringing.

  • k-9lover

    Premeditation is planning, plotting or deliberating before doing something. For example, murder by poisoning automatically includes an element of premeditation. Premeditation is an element in first degree murder and shows the element of intent necessary to convict of the crime.

    The amount of time necessary between the planning and the act to prove premeditation is judged on a case by case basis. Murder in the first degree consists of an intentional, deliberate and premeditated killing, which means that the killing is done after a period of time for prior consideration. The duration of that period cannot be arbitrarily fixed. The time in which to form a deliberate and premeditated design varies as the minds and temperaments of people differ, and according to the circumstances in which they may be placed.

  • mike smith

    the DVD was stolen from her parents house and it just so happens Jodi gave brewer a DVD player when he gave her the gas can. Kind of strange the gun stolen was the same caliber…hmmmm. This was premeditated big time. Jodi went to see Travis with the hope he would have her back. He wanted to go to Cancun with another girl and when she could not convince him to be with her, she killed him. Travis used Jodi as a booty call because she was easy that way. He used her for sex but wanted a real Mormon girl for marriage. Gun same caliber that Jodi stole from her parents, no trace of her in arizona , gas can never returned to Wal-Mart, parents DVD given to brewer for gas can. All of this equals premeditated 1st degree. Just sayin’… It is crazy how it all adds up…..

  • jack Reaper

    Its clear that this site pretends to be objective when it NOT. Jason is in lust with an admitted killer who has hollow blank eyes and who has shown zero remorse for slaughtering another human being. I say if it was good enough for Jodi A to stab 20+ times, slash his throat AND shoot Travis…. then the same thing should be done to her! Do to other what you would want done to you!

  • Marlene Marshall

    I have two comments that I have never seen posted anywhere….

    Cell Phone Turned Off…
    While driving out of state, if you are in ROAM or if towers are far from each other in desolate areas like the desert, your battery loses charge even more quickly trying to locate closest towers. If one is driving in the middle of the night, there is no reason to lose battery charge by leaving your phone on, especially if in doubt of having your charger.

    Knife in Bathroom
    Crime scene yellow evidence markers labeled the cut piece of duct tape on the bathroom floor. Was it a straight cut from a pair of scissors? i don’t thnk so. How did this get cut from Travis’s upper arm? He didn’t have it on in the shower, but he did have it on his upper arm in the nude photo of him on his bed. Since he had a knife to cut the 20 feet of rope, extending toward the bathroom, it makes sense that he used the knife to remove the duct tape vs leave it on the night stand. Hence, after a body slam, Jodi could have grabbed the knife already in the bathroom … Especially convenient if it was on the floor next to the duct tape….

    • Nancy Pinsalot

      There was NO rope…….

  • director

    Jason Weber, the only word for you is IDIOT!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dayvidpriddy Priddy Dayvid

    This Jason guy is a troll with way too much time on his hands. I think you need to update the headline of this article lmao…

  • Darlene

    Jason, you feel she did not steal the gun that was used to kill Travis. It was too much of a coincidence that there was a robbery one week before the murder occurred! That is why she took the gun with her so there would be no evidence and through it in the desert. Travis did not own a gun! Well you were wrong on the 1st degree!!! I knew she would be found guilty of 1st degree because of all the pre-meditation evidence. And thank God I was right this time. In the Casey Anthony case I was wrong and never thought she would have walked as I know she was responsible for her daughter’s death. Yes, Jodi is definitely evil! How could you not think so! Travis was not physically abusive with ex girlfriends in the past. The witnesses who were called to the stand confirmed this. He treated his past girlfriends respectfully. Yes, supposedly Jodi had a high IQ but murderers are not as smart at the time they commit them as they think they are. They seem to always get caught when they make mistakes thinking they are so much smarter and believing they will get away with the murder. Remember how she said “no jury will ever convict me because I am innocent”!!!! Saying she said it because she didn’t plan on being there is ridiculous. She has been threatening suicide since she was a teenager according to her diary entries and never attempted to. She even threatened to kill herself to Travis when he wanted to break up with her – this was said by one of his friends. Poor Travis was worried that she would and the friend told him to get away from her and that she would not do it. It was his undoing to feel compassion for this sociopathic woman. I don’t know why I still let this consume me on what she has done. It is just hard to understand how someone could do this to another human being! I only pray that the next jury will get it right and she will get the death penalty. If not, than life in prison without parole would be a good punishment.

  • Ryan jansen

    People making a big deal out of Jodi requesting a rent-a-car that was white and wouldn’t stand out. Would a robber go through the drive through of a bank and ask if they have security? She obviously didn’t have any absolutely horrible reasons for making this request.

  • Ryan jansen

    People making a big deal out of Jodi requesting a rent-a-car that was white and wouldnt stand out. Would a robber go through the drive thru of a bank and ask questions such as if they have security? She obviously didn’t have anything horrible to do on her mind.